tkpunk Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hi guys, I'm going to "need" to buy an HVLP setup of some kind, but I'm getting confused with what I'm reading online. Are my options: 1-HVLP turbine system, and 2-HVLP Conversion gun and Air compressor? Or does an HVLP gun that's not called "conversion" work with an air compressor??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerrySats Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 A HVLP conversion gun uses an air compressor to power it . You need a big compressor ( tank size) to keep a conversion gun working on big projects . The Turbine system is the way to go if your doing big jobs like cabinets and furniture . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hi tk ..... Do you own a compressor ( at least 3hp 20 gallon )???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkpunk Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Nope, that's part of the potential purchase equation. I don't want to spend a mint to get what I need. I'm not going to be doing any serious production work, just hobby-level stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 In that case you might not need to worry to much about the types of gun just yet. most people would tell you to go with a turbine because your going to have to spend money on a compressor and a gun and a turbine is bought as a complete set . When it comes to a compressor there are a lot of cons such as size, noise, you have to install inline filters for oil and moisture and the setup.. But I really like my compressor, I don't just use it for spraying, I have sanders, drills, staplers and pin / nail guns that I can conect to it. I've been using a compressor for so long that it doesn't take me long to setup for the different tools or processes. I can't compare prices because here in Ireland a multy stage turbine is about the same price as a large compressor and a reasonable hvlp gravity fed gun 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 here in the states you can get a good complete turbine system for less than a compressor by it's self 2 stage: $299 http://www.amazon.com/Earlex-HV5500-Spray-Station/dp/B004RGOKR2/ref=sr_1_3?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1395861936&sr=1-3 #399 http://www.amazon.com/Fuji-2203G-Semi-PRO-Gravity-System/dp/B00D4NPPQY/ref=sr_1_11?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1395862540&sr=1-11 3 stage: $590 http://www.amazon.com/Fuji-2803-T75G-Mini-Mite-Gravity-System/dp/B00D4NPPO6/ref=sr_1_16?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1395862540&sr=1-16 4 stage: $730 http://www.amazon.com/Fuji-2804-T75G-Mini-Mite-Gravity-System/dp/B00D4NPPNM/ref=sr_1_24?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1395862540&sr=1-24 a decent compressor starts around the price of a 2 stage turbine, and it will run constantly to keep up with gun. I think Wagner recommends a 2hp compressor minimum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHoleInOne Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yup -- I'm with Marco -- I'm a compressed air sprayer. The turbines are a one trick pony. If you can swing a better compressor, do it. Doesn't have to be new one. Lots of good used compressors to be had. Compressed air guns can range in price from 15.00 and up. -Ace- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkpunk Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 So that's what my question actually is. If I went the compressor route, I see things listed as "hvlp gun", and "hvlp conversion gun". What's the difference (if any) between those two things? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 The difference is internally .... True hvlp guns have bigger air ways inside the gun to allow for conversion of high pressure air from your tank to the low pressure needed for the gun because they use more air at a lower pressure to atomise the finish, the holes at the cap are also bigger to control the spray patter with less pressure and speed ..... A conversion gun is / or is designed like an old school high pressure gun which has much smaller airways inside the gun requiering much more pressure from a bigger compressor , the difference is the cap, in a conversion gun the the conversion of high pressure to low pressure happens in the cap where the airways are enlarged. Unless your thinking of buying a really big compressor you should stick with the true hvlp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioninwood Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Unless your thinking of buying a really big compressor you should stick with the true hvlp You are getting sound advice here. I spray with a compressor driven system and get good results. One consideration that has not yet been addressed is filtration: much care must be put into filtering moisture and debris from the air using a compressor system. If you spend your money on a high quality gun and filtration you will be right up there with a good quality turbine system. But I agree with the notion that a turbine is a "one trick pony" and prefer the compressor systems versatility. miw! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHoleInOne Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 All you need for filtration. Nothing fancy. The M60 simply uses a roll of toilet tissue to trap water and oil vapors. The orange filter "thingy" attaches to your spray gun and catches anything that may pass by the M60 filter. As I recall...the above was about $60.00 -Ace- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkpunk Posted March 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ok, thanks for the help guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ace ... When you say toilet paper do you mean an actual roll of toilet paper ?!?!?!? .... If yes, is that the actual recommended filter or just a trick of the trade ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHoleInOne Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Ace ... When you say toilet paper do you mean an actual roll of toilet paper ?!?!?!? .... If yes, is that the actual recommended filter or just a trick of the trade ??? Yes Sir! They sell a filter roll which is similar to a toilet paper. Most guys just load a "single" ply roll of toilet paper, its cheap, available and works. -Ace- 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted March 27, 2014 Report Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yes Sir! They sell a filter roll which is similar to a toilet paper. Most guys just load a "single" ply roll of toilet paper, its cheap, available and works. -Ace- LMIAO !!!! ....fantastic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioninwood Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 As I recall...the above was about $60.00 -Ace- right. all I am saying is that filtration is not a factor at all with turbine air. miw! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 2 other things worth mentioning.1. sound - turbines are at about the same level as a loud vacuum cleaner, some compressors can be defining 90+ decibels, and normal ones run in the upper 70 to low 80 decibel range. so if noise level is a concern, that's something you might want to take into consideration.2. size matters - get the absolute biggest tank you can afford if you're going to go the compressor route. Nothing kills a compressor faster than constantly cycling, because it's not big enough for the jobs it's asked to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Jenkins Posted April 3, 2014 Report Share Posted April 3, 2014 Which has less overspray?I sprayed (1.4mm paint, 1.8mm primer) using a Graco FX3000 around 30psi on the gun and still felt like I had a decent amount of overspray.It was much better than the old IR gun I used before that which was around 50psi Iirc.I want to get something for home. I already have a 2 stage T30 compressor. (175 psi @ 24 cfm I think)Sent from my XT1049 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 HVLP was designed for less overspray..... You'll always get overspray but If your still getting a lot of overspray with your hvlp try tweaking your settingsj your pressure might be to high even if you are at the recommended setting and gravity fed guns require less pressure , I dial in a gun by opening the fluid and fan controll needles fully but drop the the pressure and slowly increase until I get the desired pattern and fan width and then tighten up the fan controll to clean up the edges of the pattern and the fluid needle depending on how thick I'm laying on the finish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Jenkins Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Thanks Marco. I'm still new to spraying but I get to practice at work. Street light poles, transformers, a dump truck. For never doing it before the dump truck was fun and turned out pretty well. Gave me about 40 hours of practice.What size tip do you use in your gun?I will probably only spray water based finish which seems pretty thin compared to oil.Sent from my XT1049 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Divetta Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 The heaviest I spray is water based paint ( started recently ) and I water that down by 1/3 so I use a 1.8, it's a bit big and doesn't give me the same controll as a smaller needle would with thinner material but it works well for me. I don't get to concerned about needle selection because I'm just to lazy to change a setup every time I use a different medium, I just thin the heavier liquids down but that's not a luxury you might have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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