missioninwood Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 ....playing a video of Chris Schwarz, Course, Medium & Fine... Some classes would be better if this was ALL they did: turn down the lights and press PLAY. miw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jHop Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I found out a friend of my uncles is colorblind... and while it wasn't in a class, it was in a situation very similar to what you described. Everybody couldn't figure out why he kept bringing up the 'red' issue until he later asked something direct. (It was a situation where we kept saying look for the red item, and he finally pointed to one particular item and asked why it wasn't being mentioned. Yes, it was the red item.) He's also a pilot. He had never mentioned (or even given an indicator) that he was color blind. But he did state that 'airline red' is clearly red to him. Some people just learn to recognize the shade, some learn to cope, and others never learn. I'm guessing which group your 'red' fell into. As for the whistler, well, I've done similar. Sometimes it's accidental, sometimes it's my focus technique. (You know, get into a rhythm that helps you remember the process?) Being loud.... can't offer much help there. Lunch.... OMG. Some of those raw squid and liver folks love to reheat their lunch in the microwave for everybody in the building to share.... Those are the days I turn rabbit and chew on carrots in front of the class. The 'relating to my pen turning' person..... Yup. Me. Sometimes, it's the only way I can wrap my head around the concept. Put it in terms of something familiar, something I understand, something nobody wants me to talk about. Then I get it. Sometimes I drag this around too far, and I know others groan when I open my mouth. I'm just trying to understand, folks. Nothing to see. Move along. Doesn't mean 1: I was at that class. (Can't prove it, nope, noway, nohow. 'Sides, officer, I've got 32 witnesses and a blind dog who can corroborate my alibi.) Or 2: I condone this kind of behavior. Knowing you do these things is the first step; learning how not to shove these things under everybody's fingernails is another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jHop Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Lastly, I once asked my youngest if he knew what it meant that we have one mouth and two ears. The rest of the known universe might respond that they can tell which is supposed to be used more, but my kid has to be difficult... he replied that he "has to talk twice as loud to be heard." Shut me up for a bit trying to figure out a reply to that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mzdadoc Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have to say my class that started last night was a great well rounded group. All skill levels and I've got no complaints. But...... It was only the first night! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weithman5 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 in college my roomate and i walked by a booth, screening males for color blindness for his research. he asked if we wanted to participate. he flipped the first card in the deck and asked us what number we saw. while i clearly could make out the big red 6 (i think, it was a long time ago) in the middle of the green field, my roommate said "Number, what the hell are you talking about" (or words to that affect). Until that moment, he never new he was colorblind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 You know what, I was too harsh in my post. I'd like to formally take back what I said about Christopher Cross. 'Ride like the wind' was a great song. As for the rest of them, we're talking about the purest form of narcissism. Complete disregard for others and oblivion to how their actions may affect others around them. If being annoying is your method of understanding or focusing, then don't take a paid class with other humans. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weithman5 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 don't lighten up now. Ride like the wind was marginally good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioninwood Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I'd like to formally take back what I said about Christopher Cross. Yes, this was the most offensive part. miw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 don't lighten up now. Ride like the wind was marginally good. C'mon, it featured Michael McDonald on backup vocals! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nod Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I have been passing this thread by, and finally peeked in. holy crap. I was laughing my a$$ off at this. Nobody likes annoying people. Even if they/he/she happens to BE the annoying one. oh man, good stuff this afternoon.thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rapid Roger Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 A few years ago when I was peddling MAC Tools I was demonstrating a new test light for electronics to a shop owner. I was showing him how when you probed a hot wire, the LED lit up red and when you probed a ground, the green LED came on. He ended up buying the tester from me. His employee who watched the whole demonstration later said to me "Man! You are a great salesman!" I ask why and he responded "Andy is color blind!" I later realized that the red LED was at the top of the probe and the green one was a bit lower....Just like a traffic signal! Rog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrdie Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 You know what, I was too harsh in my post. I'd like to formally take back what I said about Christopher Cross. 'Ride like the wind' was a great song. As for the rest of them, we're talking about the purest form of narcissism. Complete disregard for others and oblivion to how their actions may affect others around them. If being annoying is your method of understanding or focusing, then don't take a paid class with other humans. I agree with most of the original post with the exception of no. 6. Whistling, humming or even sometimes singing are not typically disruptive to the class unless they're being done during a period in which the instructor is trying to relay some information. For me, it's a way to clear my head of the other distracting thoughts, subtexts or stressors that might be interfering with me focusing on the task at hand. You may not be able to understand that but I am not you and you are not me. It shows an extreme lack of tolerance on your part not to be able to accept the diversity of the those around you. People are different. It might help you make it through some of these situations if you put a little thought into why the other individual is taking the approach they are rather than just focusing on how it irritates you. Where I do agree with you is when the other individuals are displaying behavior that disrupts the class or takes away from the others in the group benefiting from it. My work has regular, once a week sales meetings in which we often have vendors presenting important information about their products that we sell. There are two salesmen that seem to get bored with the meeting about the same distance in every week and every week they start a conversation or side meeting of their own that interferes with the others around the hearing or learning what is being presented at the front of the room. It will change soon. I do take quite a bit of exception to the post I've quoted however. If you're totally intolerant of others and their coping methods, if that to you is narcissism, perhaps you're the one who ought to avoid taking classes and perhaps seek out a more personal one on one level of instruction. Perhaps you're the one who has issues with playing well with others. The internet and YouTube is ripe with opportunities for you to learn and develop skills where you can do it all by yourself without having to deal with the peccadilloes of the individuals that inhabit the world around you. Just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I completely agree with you. I am 100% intolerant of of anyone who chooses to sing, whistle, hum, and/or make noise, completely audible to those around them, in an otherwise quiet setting. If someone needs music to 'clear their head', they should put on a pair of headphones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Or you could wear plugs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I have to disagree, If the person that's singing/humming/tapping etc is in the minority, and are annoying others then they need to shut it, or deal with the consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Public vs private. You are showing colors that have everything to do with your personalities and nothing to do with propriety. In fact, many of these comments are vents of irritation that are offensive to me in practice, but tolerated as venting. Elevator music is ok, but a whistling man is not. Talking on a bus is ok, but if you cannot see the other person it is wrong. This is all in your head. Noise is noise. You choose to let it bother you. The lunch thing also is not a personally selected offense. It may be annoying but is not rudeness on the part of another. What is ideal in your home shop cannot be found in crowds. I worked in this environment for twenty years being held captive to the noise of others. I have days I need silence and days where silence is the enemy. I have no place forcing this on anyone else any more than they on me. So this leads me to a question. Did anyone reach out with the polite request? These two comments are the ones I find out of context. I support your right to vent frustration. I do not support attempting to denegrate the other human beings. I believe it to be out of character with this forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wouldwurker Posted September 12, 2014 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 My original post was intended solely to make folks laugh, and I hope a few of you got a nice chuckle out of it. Let's make some sawdust. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Public vs private. You are showing colors that have everything to do with your personalities and nothing to do with propriety. It's interesting that you chose to use the term propriety, as that's exactly what I was referring to. propriety - the state or quality of conforming to conventionally accepted standards of behavior or morals. I think not annoying or inconveniencing those around you is a commonly held social standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not whistling is not commonly held except in narrow settings and I quote: "Whistle while you work." In fact, would you remove your post if I found it an annoyance? What is the threshold for annoyance? You have kind of assumed that your standard is the conventional. What if not?(Do I get bonus points for quoting Disney?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Not whistling is not commonly held except in narrow settings and I quote: "Whistle while you work." In fact, would you remove your post if I found it an annoyance? What is the threshold for annoyance? As I said in my first post, when the person is in the minority. For example if one person in a class of 20 is annoying 11 people with there actions then they should me made to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Crowd majority might makes right is poor principle. Shop rules are created for this reason. If the shop is not a quiet shop, you make polite requests and deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 In your opinion! Crowd majority might makes right is poor principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 And this is the heart of the issue: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^That is all opinion. This is why the people bashing bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wouldwurker Posted September 12, 2014 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Going to broaden the bigger issue here. Since we're moving towards more of a sociological question, it's much deeper than, "is whistling annoying?". The reason I brought up narcissism is this question: Did it ever cross the mind of the person that what they are doing may have an effect on others? If not, why? If so, why did they chose to ignore? I love to whistle. I love to sing. It too, relaxes me. But before I feel the need to sing when others are in earshot, I think to myself, "What effect might this have on others? Sure, it helps me tune out distractions, but am I, in turn, creating a distraction for others? I love a hot tuna melt as much as the next guy. I don't bring one into a classroom or on an airplane because I think to myself, "What effect might this have on others?. I love to be barefoot. Feels great on the tootsies. I don't take my shoes and socks off in class because I first think to myself, "What effect might this have on others? How would this make the guy next to me feel? Flash photography is a great thing. You can take photos of your party a restaurant. But, do the other tables want to go blind every 10 seconds? Have you thought about them? Asking ourselves this question, in a public setting, particularly in an environment in which others paid money to be there (airplane, classroom, work), is the definition of consideration. We've become a society of me, me, me. The examples I gave above would all benefit ME, but at what cost to others? I know for a fact, that my classmates didn't come home and say to their wives, "I learned a lot, but that Vinny guy in my class drove me nuts that way he just sat there quietly and learned". Take a look at the examples others have mentioned on this thread. The common denominator is that the 'annoying' action in question benefited the person doing it, and they either didn't think of how it may bother the people around them, or they did, and chose to ignore it. I see it every day getting worse. People take their little dogs into starbucks and put their little doggie bottoms on the table. Men in tank-tops on airplanes. Shopping carts astray all over parking lots. We did great job in the 80's and early 90's of shaming people that littered. The 'no littering' signs didn't stop people. The stigma we all created around it stopped people. People spoke up when they saw a litterbug. If I lit up a cigarette in that classroom, or threw my trash on the ground, I would have been verbally shamed. And I would have deserved it. I for one, think we should bring back a little shaming. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I for one, think we should bring back a little shaming. I second this! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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