chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 I went use my new pattern bit. Turned the router and it never made contact. Turned it back over and the bit was gone. Where did it go and what did I do wrong? I would have to say that my first attempt at routering is a fail... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 If your bit missed you and any steel or concrete then this is a mild fail. How sure are you that you understand how to tighten the collet? How sure are you that the collet you have matches the shank of your bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Never put a bit too deep in the collet. Always pull it up just a little from being bottomed out. I always tighten the bit and then tug on it to make sure it's tight. Watch the cutting edges , you can slice a fingertip. If you put a bit in too deep the collet can tighten to the curved part that transitions to the wings and cutting edges. Also don't pull a bit too far out, at least 2/3 rds of the shank should be in the collet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Oh yea, Festool has 1/4" and 8 mm collets . 8 mm will not grip a 1/4" bit at all ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 I was trying to use the 1/2" shaft pattern bit in a DW628 plunge router. I don't believe that a 1/2" shaft will go into a 1/4" collet. I may have put it all the way in and tight to the curved part of the bit. I have been looking for over an hour and have not found the bit. I have a long day tomorrow so I am giving up for tonight. Do bits bounce? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 On a concrete floor, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 If it came up to speed it can fly, bounce, and roll with force. Wish you luck man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Bounce, spin, ricochet , pirouette and end up in the most unbelivable places! Good luck tomorrow ! Lift with your knees keep your back fairly straight! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 I am hoping my friend Josh can hire his 17 and 19 yr old cousins and we can get them to all the lifting. We hope to get the big stuff onto pallets, the very ones that I had planned to cut up this weekend. Then use his power pallet jack to get them onto the lift gate and into his truck. He is a contract truck driver for CAT so he has a nice truck but he can only sign it out for 12-14 hours on Saturday. I know that I called it a pickup but that isn't correct. It is a F550 in the front and a box with a lift gate on the back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4-Square Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 <First attempt at routering is a fail... <new pattern bit To clarify: your first attempt at routing was pattern-routing with WN's BigDaddy?? Or you've got lots of experience using a router, but this was the first time using that bit?? You tell from my question that I hope its the latter and not the former... A bit released from a collet typically travels between 100 and 200MPH depending on speed setting. As mentioned, the bit can skiddle, climb walls, etc and end-up in the most unlikely places... No matter where you find it, you'll prabably need to send it out for sharpening. Send WM an email and get the name of the sharpening service he uses for the bit -- it's the same place that makes-them-up for him... While most (if not all) sharpening services can 'sharpen' router bits, the BigDaddy has more in commin with a mill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 I got a CMT pattern bit that was 3/4" diameter with a 2" length cutters. The whole bit was about 3-1/4". My guess that it was about a quarter pound. I will attach a link to one like it. Was this a poor choice for first bit to try and router with for a first time... http://www.amazon.com/CMT-812-691-11B-Pattern-Diameter-Carbide-Tipped/dp/B000P4HN3I/ref=sr_1_8?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1414213040&sr=1-8&keywords=3%2F4%22+pattern+bit#productDetails Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minorhero Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Wow, congratulations on your close call. A lot of folks love router tables because they are much more controllable. Routing is one of the more dangerous things to do both to you and to your work piece. Just remember to take little bites with the bit and to clamp work down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Sounds like you didn't tighten the collet. Remember Norms advice and make sure you read and understand the instructions that came with your power tools....etc That bit was a pattern following bit. Were you intending to rout a component using a template? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Yes, I have seven more panels to finish my band saw longboat. I have trimmed them to a 1/8" on the band saw and want to hit them with the router. Which upon check I don't have four I now wave 8 including a little one. That I think is for trimming laminations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 BTW Still haven't found the bit. Moved most things to the side to get ready for all the new to me stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 To clarify: your first attempt at routing was pattern-routing with WN's BigDaddy?? Or you've got lots of experience using a router, but this was the first time using that bit?? You tell from my question that I hope its the latter and not the former... A bit released from a collet typically travels between 100 and 200MPH depending on speed setting. As mentioned, the bit can skiddle, climb walls, etc and end-up in the most unlikely places... No matter where you find it, you'll prabably need to send it out for sharpening. Send WM an email and get the name of the sharpening service he uses for the bit -- it's the same place that makes-them-up for him... While most (if not all) sharpening services can 'sharpen' router bits, the BigDaddy has more in commin with a mill. Ummm, I think you are mixing up two different threads posted by two different people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4-Square Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 Yea, think you're right... Need to clarify my clarification The question on the Ng bit was another thread -- you're quite correct, I read pattern-bit and incorrectly crossed my wires -- I suspect red wine and posting don't mix I've got the Ng bit and a few others of similar style... If you get them sharpened, you need a service that can handle milling gear. Ng uses the guy that makes the bit as a sharpening service... Suppose my concern was peeked by what sounded like a new woodworker attempting profile/template rounting without a router table or requisite experience... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 I think he is talking about me. I am on break. My back porch is now filled with wood. I am not a new woodworker. I am a new router user.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted October 25, 2014 Report Share Posted October 25, 2014 The first post in this thread gives me pucker of 9.65 out of 10. Good Lord, be careful with that thing. Norm's words sound obvious when he speaks them...but truth there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Don't just check the floor. Check the walls too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I watched about 10 videos before I tried using the router. I admit that I may have forgotten to pull it back out a bit. I did tighten and I was unable to turn the bit with pin pushed in. So it was in there fairly tight. After watching Marc's Festool router table maybe not tight enough. I looked again tonight as we unloaded Josh's truck but I did not find the missing pattern bit. No holes in anything either. I do now have two router tables and a mount in the side table of the Unisaw. The mount on the side table had a Hitachi router in it. Bill's dad had just gotten a Festool table and OF-2200 on Aug 4th. Wow! $2-1/2K for a router and table. He also had a INCRA table. We really had trouble getting getting everything we brought home into my shop but we just put stuff on the floor and didn't put it away. The Festool table looks like it will only work with their router were as the INCRA had a P/C router on it. The wife counted and we now have 106 router bits. They are all white or red orange. He also put a piece of wood through the router with the bit in it then drilled a hole in it and placed the bit in the hole. So I have a sample of each bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrolan Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 The first post in this thread gives me pucker of 9.65 out of 10. Good Lord, be careful with that thing. Norm's words sound obvious when he speaks them...but truth there. That's a record for the pucker meter in my time on WTO... I am reminded of Particle Board's post of the guy who lost a lower leg from a panel raising bit.... time to go find the baby wipes and new drawers. Whoa whoa... Link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikem Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 I remember that thread well, though I wasn't able to find it in search. When I built my new router table this summer, I made sure the opening in the fence was big enough to support a vertical panel raising bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob493 Posted November 2, 2014 Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Watch this guy. You may not be building guitars, but this guy is one of my favorite people to watch. He's safe, he's smart, and his work speaks for itself. He also has great "demonstration" video's and isn't dry and boring like a lot of the "how-to" video's. He shows everything in this particular video, minus installing your bits in your router. edit: as well... if your router bit hit the floor, consider it dead already. Even a small chip or microscopic crack you cant see can cause serious serious problems. (imagine if the bit itself is damaged and you dont see it, and you spin it up to 30k rpm. What do you think will happen when you touch t he bit to the wood? Its not pretty). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chefmagnus@grics.net Posted November 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2014 Great video Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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