Tom Cancelleri Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 http://www.woodpeck.com/mftsquare.html Squaring Up Your Festool MFT Just Got A Whole Lot Easier. Woodpeckers newest OneTIME Tool is the solution to squaring the MFT guide rail and fence. It is purposely designed with features that make it uniquely effective. Our MFT Square’s 1-1/8” thick legs allow users to square the fence and guide rail for material 1” thick or less while the square lays flat on the table. The square’s 17” long legs provide ample reference surfaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cochese Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'm going to anodize my wallet red, perhaps it will be worth more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 I will sell you a piece of absolutely square mdf for only $99 and today only I will throw in a red paint job for free. But don't order yet, today only Ill throw in a second for only the $98 shipping and handling fee. Lifetime warranty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Lol. Yea, that square seems a bit much for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Yea. At first they reccomended the 26" framing square for that purpose! Plus it has a longer reference surface. But I don't have an MFT so no real experience. But smaller and pricey for a less versitile square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDave Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Does seem a bit excessive... but I want one and I don't have an MFT...what is wrong with me? I am kidding of course... I did order the framing square which I thought would provide more long term utility... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wouldwurker Posted January 27, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Did you notice this bit? "Each leg is then attached to the stainless steel web with a unique series of socket head screws and a stainless steel pin. Unlike most other squares, this arrangement makes it possible to recalibrate your square were it ever to get knocked out of alignment." I smell more One Time Tools! That's why we're also offering the Woodpecker One Time Tool, MFT Square Square. Squaring your MFT Square was never easier! And unlike most squaring squares for squaring squares, this arrangement makes it possible to recalibrate your squaring square were it ever to get knocked out of alignment. Which brings us to our latest One Time Tool, the Woodpecker One Time Tool, MFT3. Don't be a square! We've gone to the power of three. That's right, we've cubed it. Our newest One Time Tool is not only the best tool on the market for squaring your MFT Square Square, it's the only tool on the market. Squaring your MFT Square Square was never easier! And unlike most squaring cubes for squaring square squares, this arrangement makes it possible to recalibrate your squaring cube were it ever to get knocked out of alignment... from bumping into your other squares, Which brings us to our latest One Time Tool, the Woodpecker One Time Tool, MFT9 Plaid. That's right, we've gone around this product marketing Mobius strip so many times, we've gone to Plaid! Buy now! (Please note if you're paying by credit card, you will not be charged until your product is shipped through several parallel dimensions that were in turn created by the aforementioned black hole. Paypal users will be billed immediately) 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Vinny after clearing the snow, I needed a good laugh. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDave Posted January 27, 2015 Report Share Posted January 27, 2015 Holy crap thats funny!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CessnaPilotBarry Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 http://www.dickblick.com/items/55447-1245/ I've been using these FOREVER to build sleds and jigs... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinF Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Son of a ... I buy a woodpecker square, now I see this one and think it looks useful, now I have to buy a squaring square to square my square??? Can I borrow $5 anybody? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 No doubt Woodpeckers makes some nice stuff but some of these ideas and prices are getting crazy. Maybe they're using the Cheech and Chong method to come up with them? I like the reliable accuracy every time...unless it gets knocked out of alignment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghmyn Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 But it's made in the USA! If you don't buy this product, you don't support your fellow man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 But it's made in the USA! If you don't buy this product, you're a terrorist and you hate your country! Fixed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrolan Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 But it's made in the USA! If you don't buy this product, you don't support your fellow man. Sommerfeld is the best with this... You can get their 3pc tongue & groove set for only $99.90...or you can buy the same set "made in the USA" for $149.90. It's either a sad example of aggressive marketing or a sad illustration of the overhead of American industry or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghmyn Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Sommerfeld is the best with this... You can get their 3pc tongue & groove set for only $99.90...or you can buy the same set "made in the USA" for $149.90. It's either a sad example of aggressive marketing or a sad illustration of the overhead of American industry or both. I'll try to support some US products when I get the chance, but I question it sometimes. I just picture factories with loads of temp workers making barely $10/hour and the "corporate" bosses sitting in their offices - doing nothing - raking in the cash because their products are "American Made" ... not always the case, but that is what I envision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I just took a quick look at that. I think the $50 difference is in the 'carefully matched' value, since the bits obviously have to compliment each other, and minor inconsistencies could affect your work....same reason that the stamped $20 cheap squares are all inconsistent...except imagine that you needed two, and they had to match up. Sounds similar to vacumn tubes in hi-fi and guitar amps. You want your pair to be perfectly matched. Sovtek makes em cheap in Russia, but there are minor inconsistencies there as well. American made tubes are commonly 'matched' when you buy a pair. There's a price tag for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrolan Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I just took a quick look at that. I think the $50 difference is in the 'carefully matched' value, since the bits obviously have to compliment each other, and minor inconsistencies could affect your work....same reason that the stamped $20 cheap squares are all inconsistent...except imagine that you needed two, and they had to match up. They advertise that characteristic for the cheaper set too: "The big key to this whole system is that both the Tongue & Groove bits are a perfectly matched pair in height. This allows repeated changing out of bits if necessary without adjusting the router." They should both be "carefully matched" or even "perfectly matched" as they claim. The only difference is "manufactured in X" versus "manufactured in the USA". Now if what T said in another thread is true that the "made in the USA" version is made by Whiteside, that does inspire confidence that there is an actual quality difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 They advertise that characteristic for the cheaper set too: "The big key to this whole system is that both the Tongue & Groove bits are a perfectly matched pair in height. This allows repeated changing out of bits if necessary without adjusting the router." They should both be "carefully matched" or even "perfectly matched" as they claim. The only difference is "manufactured in X" versus "manufactured in the USA". Now if what T said in another thread is true that the "made in the USA" version is made by Whiteside, that does inspire confidence that there is an actual quality difference. Yes but what is the price difference when you buy them from someone else. Sommerfeld is more of a traveling show type sales company. The CMT set can be had for a few bucks less even comes with the pretty box. Really with todays tools they are more of a gimmick than anything else. A Freud t&g set will produce the same results if you must use this gimmicky method of assembly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted January 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Price difference Whiteside Tongue and Groove 2 bit set is $105, add in the Whiteside flush trim bit for roughly $35 and you're looking at $140. Sommerfeld kit is all 3 bits for 150, and a fancy plastic case to hold all 3 bits =P. It's not that big of a price difference. Also the height matching is a nice little touch having used it. It makes things faster, less futzing around with adjusting router height and countless test cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrolan Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Also the height matching is a nice little touch having used it. It makes things faster, less futzing around with adjusting router height and countless test cuts. On that topic, how do you change bits without adjusting the height? Crazy wrenches to change below the table? A lift that can take it back to the exact same spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Go to a show. Watch the Sommerfield Road show soapbox presentation. Leave your wallet at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I'm smarmy...maybe I can be their new sales guy. Cocobolo is for Closers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vyrolan Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 Go to a show. Watch the Sommerfield Road show soapbox presentation. Leave your wallet at home That would require time I don't have and effort I don't care to give. =p Also it would require any of the "shows" to come somewhere remotely close to Chicago. Most of the various conventions and whatnot skip over Chicago like a plague. It's so annoying when something goes Indianapolis, Milwaukee, St. Louis...they fly overhead or drive through multiple times. =( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted January 28, 2015 Report Share Posted January 28, 2015 I bet Sommerfield has a you tube video out there somewhere Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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