rubus Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Hi folks, Just wondering what the thoughts are on using the df 500 for breadboard ends? Typical method of glueing the middle domino and boring through the others with a pin driven through to keep it tight. As usual, trying to save time....... Thanks Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Wouldn't you want to use a biscuit jointer? Just my newbie lack of knowledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I usually use dominos for almost everything but not for a breadboard end. The crack could open and moisture run through. Plus any wood movement other than width would stress and crack the domino mortices. Not a good idea in my opinion . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I've done it with the 700xl on an outdoor dining set -- executed the week the XL was released -- you'd have to check the dates, but 2 years ago? Three? Don’t remember… Dining set outdoors ever since – no gaps, no spaces, no cracks, no issues… Used max 700 settings (14mm x 75mm -- something like that) and tenons of the same material as the tabletop... Used 206 and pre-drilled ovals in the breadboard side -- pinned the BB ends – adhesive on the BB-center pin only... I wouldn't use the 500... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubus Posted April 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I usually use dominos for almost everything but not for a breadboard end. The crack could open and moisture run through. Plus any wood movement other than width would stress and crack the domino mortices. Not a good idea in my opinion . I am building a 42" wide table 4/4 walnut. Do you think not having a breadboard is a bad idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I am building a 42" wide table 4/4 walnut. Do you think not having a breadboard is a bad idea? I think that's gonna depend on what kind of legs you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I think that's gonna depend on what kind of legs you use. Tom... When your not thinking of Butt joints, your mind is on legs.... clean up your act young'un! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Tom... When your not thinking of Butt joints, your mind is on legs.... clean up your act young'un! The legs always end up connecting to the top via a butt joint, and is then screwed together. Sometimes it even puts holes in the pocket. That's Craig's way of doing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I am building a 42" wide table 4/4 walnut. Do you think not having a breadboard is a bad idea? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubsFan Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Remembered seeing this somewhere. Finally found it: https://youtu.be/b_NTknCCtGE?t=182 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 The legs always end up connecting to the top via a butt joint, and is then screwed together. Sometimes it even puts holes in the pocket. That's Craig's way of doing it. Post of the month nominee. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I used em on a small jewelry box lid. Tight mortise and glue in the middle, wide mortises/no glue for the rest. Sprung joint to bring it in tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 ==>Tight mortise and glue in the middle, wide mortises/no glue for the rest Better description... ==>Sprung joint to bring it in tight. I drawbored my ends... If I were to do it again, I’d use Steve’s ‘wide setting trick' to get wider tenons... The 700 gives you ample depth (which is the big issue with the 500), but width is still an issue... BTW: I just took delivery of the Seneca’s kits for the 700 – the 6mm bit, the 500 bit adapter, and imperial gauge and the shims... I think this is the setup best suited to full sized furniture... The 500 is better for picture frames, smaller boxes, etc... If the 700 offered wider tenons, I’d marry it... I suspect a 900XXL will come along and offer wider and thinker dominos – I’d adopt that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 I suspect a 900XXL will come along and offer wider and thinker dominos – I’d adopt that one... Shaper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Shaper Last night I was watching some videos of using a shaper for certain things. I do want one, only problem... Where the hell would I put it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 ==>Tight mortise and glue in the middle, wide mortises/no glue for the rest Better description... ==>Sprung joint to bring it in tight. I drawbored my ends... If I were to do it again, I’d use Steve’s ‘wide setting trick' to get wider tenons... The 700 gives you ample depth (which is the big issue with the 500), but width is still an issue... BTW: I just took delivery of the Seneca’s kits for the 700 – the 6mm bit, the 500 bit adapter, and imperial gauge and the shims... I think this is the setup best suited to full sized furniture... The 500 is better for picture frames, smaller boxes, etc... If the 700 offered wider tenons, I’d marry it... I suspect a 900XXL will come along and offer wider and thinker dominos – I’d adopt that one... When you adopt the 900xxl, I'll keep your 700 company so it doesn't get lonely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 ==>Shaper Wouldn't that be adultery? Thought you and Shaper were already an item? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 On more serious note I think loose tenons in general are not the best option for a larger table top. With the dominos width will be an issue so the wider the better. The dowel holes need to be elongated and depending on the wood they may need some pretty wide slots. Eventually I think the glue side of the tenon will fail especially if the dowel slots are sprung or draw bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 ==>Eventually I think the glue side of the tenon will fail especially if the dowel slots are sprung or draw bored. Exactly... I decided to go with 206/404 structural bonding mix -- it's not going anywhere... So far, survived two Hurricanes, couple of tropical storms and a lot of snow --- still as tight as the day it was assembled... I slotted the tenon, then ised a syringe for the mix and used waxilit... Let it all setup, then drove the pins... It's solid -- I did it as an experiement -- if it failed, I would have redune it sans domino -- but it's been solid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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