Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'm interested in this plane because (apparently) it comes with a fence and the cutting angle may help on difficult woods:Intended use: cutting rabbets on bubinga, from scratch.Currently using: power tool (router). Tried with my router planes, it's a no go, that wood is crazy.Any users willing to share their experiences or alternatives?Do I need both planes (left and right)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 ==>cutting rabbets on bubinga, from scratch.Get yourself a moving fillister plane or a rabbit plane with adjustable depth stop -- the better mousetrap...http://www.hntgordon.com.au/gidgee-joinery-planes/product/288-moving-fillister-plane-with-ts-blade.htmlhttp://www.phillyplanes.co.uk/fillister.htmlhttp://www.leevalley.com/US/Wood/page.aspx?p=59999&cat=1,41182,41192&ap=1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgaron Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 A Stanley 78 can be had used or new for cheap. Just make sure you get one with all the parts, it isn't worth buying the frame and then locating parts when complete planes sell for more or less the same price. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 All useful alternatives, thank you.I really like the Australian Fillister plane, weighty but too pricey, I think i will settle with LV. About LV: PM-V11 or O1? Which one is best for a wood like bubinga? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I have the Record 778 which is a rabbet/rebate/fillester plane. It is seriously good considering its cheaper price. I use the stock blade but you can upgrade it to a Hock. It has a nicker which does need tuning but I don't bother with that and just use a marking gauge or knife when slicing cross grain.The LN and LV equivalents are obviously superb and if you want to spend a lot buy one. Bear in mind most of the time my fillester hangs in my plane cabinet but it's ready for when I need it. I do a lot of rabbets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) ==>PM-V11 or O1? Which one is best for a wood like bubinga?'best' -- well, there is no 'best' metallurgy. It's a balance -- you are trading properties to get a balance with overall desirable properties...We could go into metallurgy, or you could go to the source: https://hocktools.wordpress.com/or, you could just get it in PMV11... Why PMV11? Well, it's a good balance for what you are trying to accomplish... Edited September 29, 2015 by hhh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 ==>PM-V11 or O1? Which one is best for a wood like bubinga?'best' -- well, there is no 'best' metallurgy. It's a balance -- you are trading properties to get a balance with overall desirable properties...We could go into metallurgy, or you could go to the source: https://hocktools.wordpress.com/or, you could just get it in PMV11... Why PMV11? Well, it's a good balance for what you are trying to accomplish...PMV11 it is then.That blog has tons of useful info BTW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I have this plane, and I love it! It will handle the tasks on your list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I have this plane, and I love it! It will handle the tasks on your list. Does it have a depth stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I mark a line, and work to the line. I don't rely on depth stops too much.This is a good video. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Rabbeting to a line is fine... No problems... For me, it's more of an efficiency thing -- the depth stop improves speed and consistency across a bunch of components -- ex, the 140 trick for a bunch of drawers... I'm like 99% positive that LN will mod the plane (again) to include a depth stop... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I can live without the depth stop, but I think the LV is going to be a better choice because of the extra weight. Almost 1.5 lbs heavier.Still, the LN plane is GORGEOUS lol. That bronze is plain and simple hypnotic.Doesn't matter which one I get, I will be longing for the one I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I can live without the depth stop, but I think the LV is going to be a better choice because of the extra weight. Almost 1.5 lbs heavier.Still, the LN plane is GORGEOUS lol. That bronze is plain and simple hypnotic.Doesn't matter which one I get, I will be longing for the one I didn't.Plane weight is a horrible indicator of performance. I will never understand how this misinformation has become so prevalent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vyrolan Posted September 29, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Plane weight is a horrible indicator of performance. I will never understand how this misinformation has become so prevalent.To be fair, I tell my wife every day that the extra weight makes me a better choice. I may not be GORGEOUS or hypnotic, but I got extra weight. =) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Plane weight is a horrible indicator of performance. I will never understand how this misinformation has become so prevalent.Isn't added weight the reason why LN makes bronze planes? I guess more weight = more mass => less effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Isn't added weight the reason why LN makes bronze planes? I guess more weight = more mass => less effort.Bronze doesn't rust, and it's prettier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Yeah, but...From the product page:Skew Block PlaneBased on the long unavailable Stanley 140, this multi-talented tool is designed to deal with difficult woods using a combination of a low angle approach, shear cutting action from the skewed and tilted blade, and extra weight of the bronze body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Pure marketing...What would make it better by being heavier? Are you taking huge shavings with it and need to combat chatter? I wouldn't want an aluminum scrub plane... But this is a joinery tool, not a roughing tool. I know it's expensive, so someone may say the comparison isn't valid... but anyway, I'd put my BCTW rabbet plane against any other rabbet plane on the market. And that thing has almost no weight to it at all. It is aluminum, and performs flawlessly. If it did, guys using wooden planes would have a hard time making stuff with them. It's just one of those things.. It's like thinking you need a heavier cue when breaking in pool... It's just silly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Maybe BCTW is right and all the other manufacturers are wrong, that's why they charge so much for their planes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Maybe BCTW is right and all the other manufacturers are wrong, that's why they charge so much for their planes.That's not the point I'm trying to make. But they certainly aren't wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 I'd hate to spend money on a plane like that, and drop it on concrete. I've never actually done either, but still......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted September 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 That's not the point I'm trying to make. But they certainly aren't wrong... BCTW is a completely different animal. Not a traditional design but a new one, with probably better physics, I cannot have on opinion on this plane but I trust yours.When it comes to traditional planes, I prefer heavier. Take that as personal preference, not a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 When it comes to traditional planes, I prefer heavier. Take that as personal preference, not a fact.And there is certainly nothing wrong with that!! I will never argue preference. If you prefer heavier planes, go for it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) So much of this variation seems to be based on body mechanics and preferred technique. Every time I watch an all day hand tooler, I see them moving planes in ways I do not. I see a lot of woodies lifting off of cuts. More mass makes that more work. I see massive planes pushing all the way across at arms length. That can be a plus. I have both currently and seem to swing by moods. Edited September 29, 2015 by C Shaffer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G S Haydon Posted September 29, 2015 Report Share Posted September 29, 2015 Based on the fact you want a nice new plane I'd follow hhh's tip of the veritas skew rabbet plane. It would prove very useful over the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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