SawDustB Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I was looking through the Lee Valley store the other day and was looking at a couple of different types of cranked neck chisels that they have. They seem to be very different styles, with the Narex:And also the Hirsch:They're both around the same price, and both look reasonably well made. I have a set of the Narex bench chisels I'm happy with, although these seem to be more than twice the price per chisel (presumably because they're specialty?). Has anyone tried the different styles of them, and what did you like/dislike about them? And what size(s) are most useful? My inclination is to pick up a single 3/4 chisel for now to try, since my reasoning for getting it is mainly trimming glue lines/squeeze out, and other trimming/paring tasks where it would be nice to register the chisel flat in the middle of a panel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 One looks like a paring set and one a striking set. The double bend leaves the bottom set with the handle in line with iron's plane. Just noodling and also waiting on an experienced opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim L. Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I own the Narex set from Lee Valley- they are OK once you get them sharp, but sharpening took FOREVER (on an extra coarse DMT Dia-Sharp). I flattened the entire bottom, figuring that it wouldn't register correctly if I only flattened near the tip like a normal chisel.The 3/4" is probably the only one I use on a regular basis, and I pretty much just use it for cleaning up glue lines and trimming plugs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawDustB Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I suppose it makes sense that the shape might be for different purposes. I intend to use them for paring, so the Narex might be a better fit. Jim, thanks for your feedback on the Narex... I find I tend to use my 3/4 pretty much exclusively for cleanup, so that seems like a good size. I think I'm failing to see why this type of chisel would be all that useful in the full range of sizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Gilbert Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 i was just going to ask what people thought of these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 You might be better getting a chisel plane instead as you can do all those tasks you've mentioned with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawDustB Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 You might be better getting a chisel plane instead as you can do all those tasks you've mentioned with one. That's not a bad thought...I guess I figured this would be cheaper (and simpler). I don't really need either, but I seem to spend a lot of time on my projects cleaning up glue squeeze out. It seems to get dismissed as an unnecessary tool but it would have saved me a lot of time yesterday. Terry, I'm assuming you mean something like this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 I own one 3/4" Marples, and have never needed another one. I do have that chisel plane in my cart at LV waiting for the next free shipping spell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 That's not a bad thought...I guess I figured this would be cheaper (and simpler). I don't really need either, but I seem to spend a lot of time on my projects cleaning up glue squeeze out. It seems to get dismissed as an unnecessary tool but it would have saved me a lot of time yesterday. Terry, I'm assuming you mean something like this: The the even cheaper and easier way to fix it is to clean up your glue before it dries on. I set an egg timer for an hour and come back with a gasket scraper. Yes, an automotive tool, and not sharp at all. I get I'd say 90% of my squeeze out this way. Hardly ever have to do more than hit the residual with a card scraper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Brendon, I bet it doesn't look near as cool as the ones pictured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Here you go @Llama Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Here you go @Llamanow that's cool looking and could be used as a boat cleat in a pinch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Here you go @LlamaThat's not fair. I'd buy it if I could. Haven't seen the stainless one on eBay in a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomwolf Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I have the 1/2" Narex and find it useful for glue squeezeout and the inside of cases and corners, as the handle is held free of the work piece. Not an essential tool, but I consider mine worth the money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawDustB Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 The the even cheaper and easier way to fix it is to clean up your glue before it dries on. I set an egg timer for an hour and come back with a gasket scraper. Yes, an automotive tool, and not sharp at all. I get I'd say 90% of my squeeze out this way. Hardly ever have to do more than hit the residual with a card scraper. That's the way to do it. Unfortunately, I never seem to make it out to deal with it in time, or I have a bad habit of gluing things up as I go to bed. How do you handle uneven squeeze out where some of it dries and some of it is still wet drops? I find I end up making it worse if I try to clean up at that stage. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Scraping uneven glue isn't an issue. The reason to wait a bit is so the squeeze out starts to dry and forms a gel case to contain the rest. If the big bits have started drying, the small bits will be dry ish. They will still scrape easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 When I'm gluing up panels I dry fit with a clamp at each end. Then I run paste wax along the joint and dried squeeze out comes right off with s scraper. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 That's not a bad thought...I guess I figured this would be cheaper (and simpler). I don't really need either, but I seem to spend a lot of time on my projects cleaning up glue squeeze out. It seems to get dismissed as an unnecessary tool but it would have saved me a lot of time yesterday. Terry, I'm assuming you mean something like this: Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I can only recall wishing I had a crank-neck a couple times in my life...and I can't even remember the reasons anymore. You should lose the "glue-up before bed" habit...best practice is to do what Brendon said and give the glue about 20 minutes to skin over, then scrape off. Whatever residual glue is left behind is so insignificant you can quickly scrape or sand it away. Allowing all the squeeze-out to dry overnight significantly increases the chance that you'll tear out wood fibers when you go to scrape it off.I have a beater set of chisels to clean up skinned-over glue. If you find you're having trouble approaching the glue joint in the middle of a panel, flip the chisel over and use it bevel down.Once the majority of squeeze-out is cleaned up and the glue is completely dry, use a #80 cabinet scraper to level the panel and clean the remaining glue.You can use a regular bench chisel or paring chisel to pare off proud dowels. I use a card scraper to clean up squeeze-out on inside corners. I'm not saying the crank-necks are useless tools...but I wouldn't be looking to purchase them unless I already had every other tool my shop needed. Not even close to a shop necessity unless there was some oddball task you performed frequently with no better or equal alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 I'm gonna agree with Eric here. I would say get a scraper like the one pictured below. It's perfect for scraping skinned over glue, and even glue that's cured, though you're gonna work at it a bit scraping it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawDustB Posted October 20, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 Man, you guys are supposed to be helping enable my tool buying habit, not talking sense into me... Gluing up and leaving it is definitely the wrong move, but my woodworking these days is squeezed into 10-20 minute chunks at a time with a 2 year old and a new baby in the house. Thanks for the advice. I did use my regular chisels bevel down for my immediate glue clean up issues, followed with a card scraper, but this seemed like a better tool if there's a lot to take off. I'll try going back to a scraper soon after glue up. I've been using a chisel when I do go back soon after, but I found sometimes it would slice open the glue blobs and make more of a mess. Is it wrong that I still want one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomwolf Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 No, never. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 another option: http://www.benchcrafted.com/Skraper.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SawDustB Posted October 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 another option: http://www.benchcrafted.com/Skraper.htm That's a really cool looking tool, Tom. I just ordered one, it looks like just the thing. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 ==>I can't even remember the reasons anymore.Cleaning-up sliding dovetails... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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