drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Last winter I decided that I had to get serious about dust collection. I'd been using a good shop vac with a Dust Deputy which worked great for small machines, but not for my contractor saw & it was a huge pain constantly having to move & trip over the hoses. After a ton of research I decided that a stationary ducted system (Oneida V-5000) was in order. But that still wouldn't completely control the huge cloud that emanates from that contractor saw every time it's started. Again, lots of research told me that a cabinet saw was the way to go & that the SawStop (36", 3HP PCS) was pretty good in that arena.If I was going to do a ducted installation, then I might as well review my shop layout, which was much less than ideal. And I didn't want to sacrifice shop space to a cyclone. As you can see, this is starting to snowball. So I embarked on the following odyssey:- In the basement next to the garage/shop I build a sound proof room for the collector, air compressor & some storage. 6" staggered stud walls with 6" of Roxul, and 2 layers of 5/8 drywall with GreenGlue between on each side. and for good measure, 2 insulated exterior doors back to back. Amazing how quiet it is.- Spiral 26 ga. 8" duct throughout with 6" self cleaning blast gates at each machine.- Completely gutted all shelving & racks & redid the entire shop layout.Nothing got done all summer, but as of last week I was finally making sawdust. Not much of it was getting on the floor though. The dust collection is superb. The SawStop is a wonderful machine; smooth, solid, powerful & a beautiful thing to look at. Every time I go into the shop it's like Christmas morning, only way better.This forum has been a great resource & I'd like to thank all who have contributed advice & opinions when I asked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Congrats! Be sure to take some pictures now while it's uncluttered...How did you handle the air return? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Yep, if there's no pictures it didn't happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I call bs..POIDH... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric. Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
croessler Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Wow, you give sure are in need of pics! Seriously though, congratulations on getting your shop setup in a way that makes it a pleasure to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Pics to follow later today when I get the cars out of there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric. Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 when I get the cars out of there.Oh dear. It appears we have much larger problems to address than simply a lack of pictures. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Cancelleri Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Pics to follow later today when I get the cars out of there.I'm sorry, is cars some sort big exotic unmilled wood? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Al Capwn Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I'm sorry, is cars some sort big exotic unmilled wood?It's actually an acronym for Cherry, Ash, Rosewood and Sapele. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chet Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Pics to follow later today when I get the cars out of there.How many times on this forum do we have to address the "NO CARS" in the shop issue? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 In the context of putting cars in your shop, CARS is an acronym forc'mon, 'at's really stupidLOLYou know we're just messin' drzaius. Kind of. Not really. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Haha, you guys are a riot. We all have our crosses to bear, mine is having to let the cars live there too, at least in the winter. Actually, I've got a layout that lets me use most of the machinery without having to move them more than a couple of feet, if at all. The table saw stays put unless I'm doing really long stock & then I've got a secondary location ducted that will allow for that.sjk made me laugh "take some pictures now while it's uncluttered". I've been working all morning just to get things presentable enough for pictures. I'll have shop pics later, but here are some of the collector room Return air duct is beside the compressor. It's lined with duct insulation and has a dog-leg in it for sound attenuation. 2 exterior doors with a layer of 3/4" MDF attached for additional sound deadening. Oneida V-5000 tucked into the corner. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Wow man, looks like you are doing a great job! Have you used the v5000 at all or its brand new? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I've only used it with the jointer & table saw for about an hour total, so not enough to know if I'll have the same issues that you did with the filters filling up. Time will tell. Exhausting to the outside isn't an option for me. The neighbor's house is only about 10' away & I don't want any noise or dust issues. It sure sucks up the dust though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Still plenty cluttered & not fully organized yet, but a work in progress. I'll probably take the next couple of months to get to the point where I can build something other than shop stuff.No out feed table yet. That's what the lumber on the right table saw wing is for. The planer & OSS will be on a flip top cart under the window. The workbench will go under the shelves to the left when I finish assembling it. Some sheet goods storage in the corner. These duct drops are for the secondary table saw location. I'll need to move the saw there if cutting anything longer than about 6'. Shouldn't be too bad, I got the industrial mobile base on the saw & it's sooo easy to move. If I raise the saw & don't hold on it'll roll down towards the OH door by itself & there is only 3" of slope in 25'. SCMS sits in it's little space in the shelves & is mounted on slides. There's an 8" duct connected to it. I still have to connect a 2.5" hose to the saw & build some folding extensions. Electrical panel and dust collection controls. The gray box has a bin level alarm, ammeter, and filter guage. Below that is a fire alarm panel connected to a heat detector in the cyclone drum in the basement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric. Posted November 21, 2015 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Doh! When you said CARS I was visualizing CARS, not happy meal toys. You should have said so earlier...those things don't take up more space than a pair of drum sanders. You're taking a beating today, sorry man! Your space looks good. The DC room is killer. Well done. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 You know what they say; bad attention is better than no attention. Thanks for the kind comments though. This has been a long time in the making & I'm really exited to be using the shop again.Frank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 I'm with Eric, I was expecting life size cars. Actually with a little though and planning you build a nice lumber rack above that car.Definitely a nice space you have there Frank, well done!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krtwood Posted November 21, 2015 Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Some of those wires in your panel aren't quite level. I don't know how you live with yourself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 21, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2015 Thanks guys. Maybe I should get a mobile base for the Smart so I can move it sideways. Frank 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 At least now we know how a garage can be listed for 2.5 cars. ? Mine would be a 6-car, if I were parking Smarts in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 I think you guys are missing the point - the Smart is really just a backup power source for his shop when the power is out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 At least now we know how a garage can be listed for 2.5 cars. ? Mine would be a 6-car, if I were parking Smarts in it!I measured, it would fit 9 Smarts with room to spare. I think you guys are missing the point - the Smart is really just a backup power source for his shop when the power is out!Trust me, the Smart doesn't have enough power for much of anything. 85 miles per gallon on the highway though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted November 22, 2015 Report Share Posted November 22, 2015 Looks like a great space you have there.A buddy of mine has Smarts and his son lowered the suspension on his and put bigger alloys on (so the wheels caught on the bodywork and would not steer right - he is a bit dim), had the ECU remapped for more power and ended up flipping it. He videod one of the unintentional flips while backing up at slow speed - I have it somewhere - and said on the video "I don't believe it - not again". His dad tells me He had done this a few times before he realised he should not have made any mods to the car at all. Needless to say he doesn't have a Smart anymore.Meanwhile his dad still drives his unmodded Smart with no issues at all.Moral don't let a kid hotrod a Smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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