Tom King Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 http://www.ebay.com/itm/Oliver-12-CD-24-Pattern-Makers-Jointer-with-Cutter-Grinding-Attachment/191795192460?_trksid=p2045573.c100034.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003150253%26meid%3D9d01493b5cc34cc58d7f5a8fd9f8751c%26pid%3D100034%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D8%26sd%3D180695323671 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 <drools then rationalizes> I don't Need anything that big... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minorhero Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 The big iron folks refer to these as battleships. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I've never seen one with an infeed table that tilts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Cool. I'd probably find a way to hurt myself though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Most likely 3 phase I bet. Looks like a aircraft carrier to me, Battleships are long and only wide in the middle ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 There's a joke in there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Does it come with a mobil base 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 Did you notice all the handscrews behind that monster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 1 minute ago, RichardA said: Did you notice all the handscrews behind that monster? Yea, I haven't seen 'em stacked like that since 9 grade shop way back in 196... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 ==>infeed table that tilts standard pattern jointer feature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm not seeing the tilt. Why is that a feature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I don't Need anything that big... Yeah, you have enough clamps, too. ? Does it come with a mobil base Yes. Its model # is terra 1.0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 What is a cutter grinding attachment? 1 hour ago, wdwerker said: Most likely 3 phase I bet. Yeah, the description says "5 Hp motor 440/3/60" which I assume means 440 volt/3 phase/60 amp, but what do I know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I couldn't see any description. Just a few pictures. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 What is a cutter grinding attachment? Most likely 3 phase I bet. Yeah, the description says "5 Hp motor 440/3/60" which I assume means 440 volt/3 phase/60 amp, but what do I know? That 60 is probably Hertz, not amps. 60 amps @ 440 volts is closer to 35 hp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted February 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 The cutter grinding attachment is to sharpen the blades. I had a 16" Powermatic planer years ago that had one. I wish I had never sold that planer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Bussy Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 That's a little too far away for the guild here to pick it up. I guess I will have to settle for our 16". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 13 hours ago, hhh said: ==>infeed table that tilts standard pattern jointer feature. Ok, I will bite. Why is a 7° tilting infeed table beneficial and standard for pattern makers? 24" would be uncomfortable to work on as your primary machine. I find my 12" strains my lower back at times if im too lazy to move the fence forward for edge jointing(im too lazy 95% of the time). I feel like jointers are like bandsaws in that you might want two if you have your druthers in a dream world. Not to mention a 5" diameter cutterhead means your min board size has to be 15"+/-. One last consideration on these massive antique jointers. How flat are their tables? Im not doubting the machinists of 100+ years ago, but how do they compare to high end jointers of today? I assume you don't need to be dead nuts flat, but ive read before about guys having old porters etc. re-milled before using them. This leads me to believe the old ones aren't incredibly flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 11 minutes ago, Pwk5017 said: Ok, I will bite. Why is a 7° tilting infeed table beneficial and standard for pattern makers? Not to mention a 5" diameter cutterhead means your min board size has to be 15"+/-. Personally I don't see that as a limitation. Even on my little 6" jointer I wouldn't joint anything less than 15" in length. I use hand tools or my fireplace to dimension smaller boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 There's an entire website for old pattern gear: http://www.owwm.org/ No treatise today -- I'm trying to break that habit... Tilting Table: Pattern work requires lots of relief angles... So much may be 89d or 91d... There's an old saying in pattern work, if it's 90d, something's wrong... Head Diameter: The diameter of the head is all about the quality of the surface... Ever wonder why hobby-kit heads are around 3", but pro gear starts at 6"? Note: before someone mentions PM having 3" heads, that's still hobby kit.... In pro gear, the larger head provides mass, improved angle of attack, and low protrusion. Today, pro-kit heads start at 6" and continue to around 10", with 8" being the sweet-spot for non-industrial gear... ==> Im not doubting the machinists of 100+ years ago, but how do they compare to high end jointers of today? Quality pattern gear was milled, not ground. Assuming the gear has been cared for, you can expect 0.003 over 100" tables (frequently better). Modern top-shelf kit is still made that way (think Northfield, Felder, et al). That's one reason why quality jointers start around $10K... ==>read before about guys having old porters etc. re-milled before using them. This leads me to believe the old ones aren't incredibly flat. More likely misuse, age, poor storage conditions, rust, relocation damage, etc... After the war, most of the gear wasn't cared for very well... No one cared... ==>Even on my little 6" jointer I wouldn't joint anything less than 15" in length. Good advice... As the stock becomes smaller, milling operations become more risky to fingers... PS. Don't you love the way it's bolted to the floor? You might think someone would accidentally move it looking for a dropped screw??? Or maybe it was to prevent employee theft??? PPS... Notice how the listing provides all pertinent information -- except how much it weighs??? One, I bet he doesn't know... And two, if you have to ask, then you probably can't afford the riggers... PPPS: Does it come with a mobil base?? All my kit up to 1500lbs has a mobile base... You can get them custom made for gear up to 3000lbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew-in-austin Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I know, I know, your thinking, "that's too small!". Don't worry, there's a 30" one also available: http://www.ebay.com/itm/30-Oliver-Type-B-Jointer-late-1898-1903-/272091002648?hash=item3f59e33718:g:ssAAAOSwNyFWhEMc And if you want a shelix head, it's about $2500 for the 24", and I would guess $3000 for the 30" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
collinb Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 I wonder if there is a bench version. :-) Oliver tractors were out of Battle Creek. These from Grand Rapids. Wonder if there was a relationship there .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Bussy Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 9 minutes ago, collinb said: I wonder if there is a bench version. :-) You mean that surfaces a whole bench at once? Yes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, Lee Bussy said: You mean that surfaces a whole bench at once? Yes. Now there's a way to flatten your bench. Screw planes or string tricks, just put on your big boy pants, back belt, and let er rip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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