Jim Frye Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 (edited) Hello. I'm new here and a refugee from WoodOnline, which is closing next week. I was a host there for nearly ten years back in the 90s and on. I was also the forum administrator/moderator for the Ryobi Tool Forum before it was withdrawn. I am building a new shop in the basement of our new home. I had to pack up my old 12'x12' shop of 30 years in our old home. The new shop is also in the basement, but is 12'x22' this time. It will be laid out pretty much like the old one with a few changes to fix things from the old shop. Right now, I have the walls framed and am in the process of wiring the shop for power and lights. One of the big changes in the new shop is LED lighting. I am using 17 daylight "60 watt equivalent" (5000K) LED GE Bright Sticks arranged in three rows down the length of the shop with four 75 watt track mount floods on a separate switched line for color balancing during finishing. The middle LED row is centered in the 12' wide shop and the outer rows are 3' on either side, staggered from the center row. Spacing is such that if you draw a 4' diameter circle around each fixture, the circles will just touch each other. Two of the LEDs are positioned directly over the work bench at the end of the shop. The floods will cover the middle 3/4qtrs of the shop floor, but they are aim-able in a 360 degree horizontal circle and 90 degrees up and down. The ceiling of the shop is 7' from the floor. That's a gotcha you get with a basement shop. The LED light fixtures cost $4.50 each with the bulb. I found the LED bulbs on sale for $1.50 each. The 17 LED bulbs cover everything in the 12'x22' shop and there's no shadows no matter where I stand. The four 75 floods mute the daylight bulbs and provide a raking light for finishing. It will get better when the walls are painted CHB (Chicago Home Builders white), but that will be awhile. The cost was 1/3 of what seven LED tube lights would have been and a bit less than seven fluorescent fixtures would have been. Jim Frye The Nut in the Cellar I've gone out to find myself. If I return before I get back, have me wait for me. Edited August 24, 2016 by Jim Frye added a sig 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome to the forum, Jim ! Good to have you here. Hope we can see some pics of your shop as you go. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome to the forums Jim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronn W Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Glad to have you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroDave Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome Jim... Love the sig! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Should I assume woodonline is another forum? Welcome. We're all kind of sucked for a new shop build. Sounds like you may need sunscreen in the basement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Hi, Jim! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Jim welcome to the forum, being the visually stimulated folks we are we like pictures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Hey Jim ! Always glad to welcome new faces . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Jim, welcome. It sounds like you've been around, both forums and shops. Glad you stopped in and hope you like it here. Hope you enjoy your new shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome, shop sounds cool but I need pictures! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Nice to have you here, Jim! Looking forward to the pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome! Please post a shop tour in the shop section when you have time! (Just pictures and explanations are great, video is good sometimes too). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome jim! I hope you give us a shop tour when you get it set up and running the way you like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome Jim and pics, pics, pics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Is there anything about this conversation that indicates that we're just a bunch of woodworking voyeurs? PICS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 35 minutes ago, K Cooper said: Is there anything about this conversation that indicates that we're just a bunch of woodworking voyeurs? PICS Haha coming from the guy who needs a picture handbook to post pictures ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 You can describe them all day long as firm and round, but without a pic, it could be anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Haha well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome Jim. good folks here and everyone a voyeur. The main rule here is "If there is no pic, It didn't happen" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger. Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Welcome aboard. I would like to hear your comparison of the led lights to what you used previously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Frye Posted August 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) OK, Here's some visuals. Note that I am building the shop around its contents, thus the clutter. As I get the walls finished, I'll be moving some of the clutter off of the floor and onto the walls. Also, all of the benchtop tools will be getting bases of their own eventually. And an answer to Pug, I think the LED lighting is better than the old fluorescent tubes I had in the old shop. No shadows, longer bulb life, less wattage/amperage usage, and the initial investment was less also. The first pic. is no lighting, just the window. The second is LEDs only. The third is floods only. The fourth is both LEDs and floods. Jim Frye The Nut in the Cellar I've gone out to find myself. If I return before I get back, have me wait for me. Edited August 26, 2016 by Jim Frye added sig 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger. Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 I see. I was picturing the long 4' fixtures in LED. Looking fwd to seeing your project come to life. You must not have very deep frost there, seeing as your insulation is up so high. Here in Ontario, mine goes right to the floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted August 28, 2016 Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 46 minutes ago, Pug said: You must not have very deep frost there, seeing as your insulation is up so high. Here in Ontario, mine goes right to the floor. Down here it is common to require the thermal break on the outside of the foundation. Local code requires 1.5-2" foam board that reaches up to the sill. Is that done anywhere up there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Frye Posted August 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2016 5 hours ago, Pug said: I see. I was picturing the long 4' fixtures in LED. Looking fwd to seeing your project come to life. You must not have very deep frost there, seeing as your insulation is up so high. Here in Ontario, mine goes right to the floor. Our frost line is 3 - 4 feet down. Our builder puts 2" foam board on the outside of the poured concrete basement walls all the way down to the footer drains.after they are sealed. The fiberglass on the inside it to insulate the portion of the foundation above grade. The spaces between the floor joists are also insulated. The house actually qualified for an Energy Star rating when they did the infiltration test. Last winter, the basement stayed an even 70 degrees F in spite of it not being heated. Since the blankets are all around the basement, later on, I will box the fiberglass in with 2x4s and 1/4" plywood. The long four foot LED fixtures would have been at least three times the cost for the same lumens. Having had fluorescent tubes in the old shop, I went studying for an alternative. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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