Rex Edgar Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Why does this company offer 'one time only' tools. I realize that if you presell and then manufacture what has been preordered, you can keep a close tether on costs and there will be no leftover stock. Is this a smart way to do business or ginning up demand with 'one time only' advertising. As a follow up are the tools worth the stout prices? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I think you nailed what they are doing. My understanding is the company is quite small. When you are small, you tend to run a tighter ship when it comes to inventory, costs etc. To manage your inventory to have nothing laying about and needing to be clearanced off at a lower margin is the ideal scenario. That is answer one, it seems to be working and every company wants to work that way. Answer two, we will see because i just ordered the huge one time tool framing square. If they are guaranteed to the specs they state, then yeah, they are worth the prices. I think their items have some slick design features to them, and you are getting a quality item designed, made, and sold in this country. Whether having a $180-225 large square guaranteed to a certain spec is worth it to you is all about your work. If you have a sliding saw, MFT, track saw system, router and track system, big bandsaw with large resaw etc, then yeah i think the price is worth it. If my stuff isnt deadnuts on, i can quickly ruin a piece that is: A) valuable material, B] valuable hours of my time went into it. For example, if i wanted to resaw a 20" board of something moderately expensive on my bandsaw, if my blade to table is off of 90° ever so slightly, that difference is going to add up big time over 20". So much so that it could completely ruin my resaw efforts. Buying expensive calibration/layout tools isnt terribly exciting, but ive never regretted spending money on those items. Adjusting your tools to perform their best really pays dividends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barron Posted November 8, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 "Worth it" is highly subjective. Their tools are well made and do what they say they do. So, if the tool will help,you complete your work better, faster or cheaper, then the tool is worth it. If you get pleasure from using a well made tool, then the tool is worth it. If you like red tools it's worth it. If you would rather not cobble together a jig to do the same thing, it's worth it. If none of those things don't appeal to you then the tools isn't worth it. Only you can decide. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I think some of them are objectively worth it and some objectively are not. The big ass framing square I say is worth it because you can't find another square that large and that precisely made anywhere else. The dowel maker is not because you can get a better one elsewhere (Veritas). You can run down the list and some OTT's will be more debatable than others, and that's when it becomes a judgement call. I think it's half marketing gimmick and half smart business strategy. It allows them to test the waters with a small production run without excess cost or waste. They can find out what kind of demand there is for a particular tool, how well it sells at a given price point, and get customer feedback to see what kind of changes could or should be made. And the OTT also happens to work well for them because it creates that "feeding frenzy" type of consumerism with people who feel urgency to buy an item they may never have a chance to buy again. Ultimately I think they're smart to do it, but you have to use your noodle and pick only the winners. Most of the OTT's are superfluous type tools that are far from necessities...most of the time they're just expensive clones of traditional tools. But occasionally they offer some very useful items. Again I think at the top of the list are their larger squares, and I'm surprised they haven't made those standard fare since the interest seems to be so high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Still the OTT name is deceptive. They use it to urge people into buying tools they don't need, just because it's a OTT and supposedly won't be available again, which is not true. Other companies offer special items in a more honest way, like Tom's toolbox (LN) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dknapp34 Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I ordered the large framing square and I have two other, smaller squares and a straight edge. For me, it's worth it never having to second guess whether my square is square. As others mentioned the larger framing square makes many other things easier and more accurate. I'm also a sucker for the red. Plus, there is the intangible "it feels good in your hands" factor. Everything I have from them is superbly made and just feels solid. So it's worth it to me for the measuring and marking tools (some of the other more gimmicky stuff not so much). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thewoodwhisperer Posted November 8, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I think the concept is cool. Introduce really well-made tools in a limited run. No risk upfront since you're taking pre-orders and making people wait for months to receive the item. If the item is a dud, you're losses are minimal if anything. if the product is a hit, you can always bring it back for a second run or make it a full time product. That's pretty awesome. But....calling it One Time Tool does feel deceptive since it's simply not true. Maybe Limited Time Tool would be more accurate. I don't know the history of the whole thing but I wonder if the program truly did start as a one-time production run. But then they realized some of these items might deserve a second run. By then they already created this One Time Tool monster. Just trying to give them the benefit of the doubt, as the guy who just had an inventory reduction sale on digital videos. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuxleyWood Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 If one wants to be pedantic then indeed a few of the tools have been redone. That said I don't think it negatively impacts the buyer. As a buyer one should consider these as an actual one time tool since the majority of them have not been repeated and even the ones that have usually have had a long wait in between. It is doubtful that anyone is buying these expecting a cult like following to appear like BCTW has and therefore set them aside in hopes they gain value. In the end I am happy WP makes the ones time tools, there are some that have been really great for me, I honestly don't think they desrve the grief they get on the forums, except maybe for their delivery schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 If one wants to be padantic Sent from my SCH-I545 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuxleyWood Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 The sad thing is pedantic is one of the few words longer than four letters I actually know how to spell and botched it up! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 The Paolini pocket rule originally was 6" long. I have one in inches and a metric one. They are in my pocket every day and I use them constantly. They recently offered them again in several different lengths . So they expand the scope of successful products . I got one of the large framing squares several years ago and I had waited over a year before they made another batch. 8 months later I saw one on eBay for $50 more than I paid including shipping. The saddle square started as a 4" version and the most recent batch offered 4" ,6",8" and 12". Another useful layout tool I use quite frequently. 4" and 6" are the ones I have. I do agree some of the one time tools make no sense at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulldog Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I've been wanting to ask this, and now seems like a good time. What about the carpenters square that is up for sale now? Worth buying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's attractive to me . If it was a 12" version I would be all over it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Edgar Posted November 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 54 minutes ago, Bulldog said: I've been wanting to ask this, and now seems like a good time. What about the carpenters square that is up for sale now? Worth buying? 6" isn't long enough,"she said". The photos make it look bigger. "Who are you gonna satisfy with that?", she said. "Me", I said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I've been wanting to ask this, and now seems like a good time. What about the carpenters square that is up for sale now? Worth buying? Just a few weeks back I bought their older version, and I thought it was better... Thicker aluminum for the body, all red anodized. Perhaps they are for different purposes and I'm just missing something though .. Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandorLush Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 My first and so far only one is the angle reference plate they had back in June and that should be shipping in the next few weeks (I hope). I used an older one like it (bevel buddy maybe?) and enjoyed it so I figured I would jump on the offering. Beyond that, I like a lot of what they offer, but my skills are in the 0.1" accuracy range so tools in the 0.001" accuracy range would be wasted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 It's attractive to me . If it was a 12" I would be all over it . Really? Totally didn't thing you swung that way. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekcohen Posted November 11, 2016 Report Share Posted November 11, 2016 It's a great sales pitch and marketing strategy: get all your orders and payments up front, and neutralise any possibility of overproduction. What's not to like for the manufacturer? They can even design outlandish tools, such as the over-priced and way-too-technical dowel maker, and not run the risk of creating a flop. It's just not the product for those what like to receive an order by return of post. Regards from Perth Derek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 There is a danger with WP creating flops. When they sit around the conference table deciding on what to charge for something like the dowel maker, their price is based on them being able to sell a certain number of them. I have a few of their tools, and they work just fine. Nothing special, they just work how they should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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