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  1. Hi, guys! So I'm still contemplating this stand build, I'm still really happy that I now know how to construct the pedestal base, so I want to focus on the carcass itself. I think it comes down to either plywood, or the frame and panel type construction. I want to ask, if I use plywood, what are my options to finish the edges? A face frame of some kind, or iron on edge banding? If using plywood, how would some of you go about this? Thank you for your help! -TWS
  2. I'm sorry, I don't recall calling your work "cheap" or "Unprofessional", but if I offended you, I will offer my most sincere apology. I've built those 2x4 stands before, and I was just looking for a little help on a different style of stand build. I'm sorry if I offended you, but I thank you for stopping by and offering your help. -TheWoodShouter
  3. Please tell me if this idea would be dumb, but as a noob woodworker, I've learned that there's all kinds of ways to help make a joint between two boards as unnoticeable as possible. However, at the end of the day, there's not one of us here who can't spot a joint in a piece of furniture with just a cursory inspection. Therefore, in some of the things I've done recently, I've tried to use two different species of wood whenever I'm gluing something up. I like the contrast of different woods, and I feel like if you have to have a joint, have a little fun with it instead of just tying to hide it. In fact, just for economical reasons, I made some shop cabinets out of Home Depot brand oak ply, with hard maple face frames, then drawers, etc, and I like that look. What if I tried to build the stand using cheap Home Depot ply for the case, and then making a face frame, top, doors, and base out of some hardwood, ideally something "cool" or colorful like walnut, purple heart, padauk (a new favorite of mine!), or something similar. Maybe, if I save enough building the carcass out of cheap ply, I can afford to use a more exotic wood for the rest of the stand. I know I said before I didn't want a face frame, but in this situation I'm embracing it, rather than trying to hide it. Do you guys think that two-toned, "composite" look would be silly? Thanks guys! -TWS
  4. You know, I have never done a journal, but for this one maybe I should...... I'm telling you, it's like a huge block has been lifted now that I know how to make that base. Again, I was so over thinking it, it's not funny. But that video totally made sense of it for me. I do want to really think this project through and look into materials, and then sure, I'll get a journal going if you think others would be interested. Thanks again, man! -TWS
  5. Well, I told you guys I was a noob! In the first 5 minutes that video clearly shows that base REALLY IS just a base, and the top of the base profile that was so confusing to me is easily cut with one rip of the router and an appropriate bit. I swear, I was WAY over thinking this. I thought this was a series of cuts, different router bits, different pieces of wood. Now that I see this guy do it, I'm humbled that I couldn't figure this out, and I know for sure that the reason I wasn't getting a direct answer is because to all of you this is a no brainer. So I feel like a noob, but I am relieved to see how easily I can build the base of this thing. I assume there's a selection of router bits available to cut that profile, and I just pick the profile I prefer, right? Woodenskye, yet a third shout out for finding that video for me - absolutely just what I was looking for, and couldn't articulate to you guys! EDIT: I'm a total noob woodworker, but I'll point out that this just goes to show that when in doubt, reach for the router! This is kind of like when someone asks, "Who wrote this song?", "Bob Dylan" is almost always a good guess ;-) So now I'm debating about the solid wood, or frame/panel thing for the sides and what not. I think that I can glue up solid panels for this project, I just have to estimate the cost and see if it's feasible. My dealer often has a good deal on cherry, or if I can score some cheap lumber from craigslist or something maybe this is the best way to go. Though expensive, I think it would look great and it would be easier on me because I don't have to worry about concealing edges. let me find out what this will cost and go from there. Thanks to all of you guys for your help! I love this community, everyone is so helpful to someone who is at times very clueless! -TWS
  6. OK, so I got exactly 2 minutes and 33 seconds into this video, and I think I've learned something........ What I think I need help with is correctly called a PEDESTAL BASE. Does that make sense to you guys? That's what the guy in the video is calling it. And if you could, please stop the video at 2 minutes and 33 seconds and it's a perfect shot of the base part. This is just what I'm looking for, all that detail or embellishment or perhaps "steps" where the base meets the carcass; I don't know how else to describe it. I'll keep watching the video, but hopefully now you guys will understand what I'm asking about. Thanks again, Woodenskye! -TheWoodShouter
  7. Wow, thank you! This is just what I'm looking for! I didn't watch all of this video yet, but looking at the finished product, and the detail of what I did see, now we're on to something. I watch this right now. Thanks very much, Woodenskye! -TWS
  8. Hello, UC! Thanks for your reply! Yes, I understand the weight of the tank won't be resting on molding alone, but that's why I'm trying to get a better idea how to build the base. I'm not sure what you are suggesting with the 2x4's. Are you suggesting the typical 2x4 frame for the stand itself? If so, I have done those stands many times in the past, but that's not what I'm looking for here. Plywood or solid wood should easily support up to 125 gallon tank setups, in my experience, so I see no reason I can't do this for a 75 gallon tank. And again, I'm not worried about weight or anything like that, I have plenty of experience building stands that hold up just fine, I'm just looking for how to make it LOOK like a pro wood worker built it. Only you guys will know the truth about the maker's skills ;-) EDIT: I just reread your reply, and now I'm sure you're describing a typical 2x4 frame wrapped in quarter inch ply or the like. That's really not what I'm hoping for with this stand, but this is tried and true for anyone else looking for an easy, cheap stand build. As I mentioned before in this thread, I have even wrapped them in cheap paneling board, so you don't even have to paint or stain anything. But here I'm looking for something like what's pictured in the first post. Thanks again though! Thanks for the reply! -TWS
  9. Here's another couple pictures I found online, and both of these dressers have bases/feet that are similar to what I'm imagining. How would I go about constructing something like this? Does anyone know of any free plans for dressers, or a video, or build journal that would detail how to build this part for a noob like me? I get that not everyone here builds fish tank stands, but there has to be many members that have made dressers or similar projects. Image URL:$PDP_Pc_Dimension_470Wide$&$width=66"&$depth=20"&$height=40" And this one is a random clip art image, but even it has a simple but "finished" look to the base part. Is it making sense what I'm asking about? Image URL: If someone could help me get a handle on how to make the base part of these, I'd really appreciate it since apparently we need nicer dressers too now that I've looked! Thanks everyone! -TheWoodShouter
  10. Ah! Vinyl coated plywood maybe a whole different story. I have no experience with such a material, I didn't even know it existed. I am guessing it's going to be too expensive for me to find out though! But I could see how such a material would be perfect for what you were describing earlier. OK, as far as the base, now we're getting somewhere. A rabbet the carcass sits into makes sense, but I don't get how far down the carcass sits. Wouldn't it have to sit up an eight or quarter of an inch above the top of the base to allow the cabinet doors to swing out, or the drawers to pull out if this was a dresser? So then you'll still see some of the edge of the carcass, and whether that's plywood or a frame/panel affair, I still don't think that's how it's supposed to look. I must be missing something, and I think it's in the molding. I wish I had a dresser or something like what I'm imagining here at the house to look at, but neither of our two have this style of base. Thanks for the reply, wtnhighlander! -TWS
  11. OK, you're just the kind of guy who can answer my biggest question, though maybe I'm not asking it correctly because I am such a noob at "real" woodworking. How to I construct what I am going to call the base or "feet" of this thing, and how does that attach to the cabinet carcass so it looks professional? Did that make sense? I think it would be similar to how dressers are built, but I don't know how to build a dresser! Can someone give me an idea of how to construct and attach the base of this thing please? That is definitely one of my biggest concerns. And doing the sides as a panel is really getting me thinking. I can save money using plywood, and there's still no edge banding or face framing because of the panel construction. Now here is new territory for me, and I'd want to make sure the panels would be strong enough for the weight. You said it man! trust me, fish tanks and melamine = bad idea! Thanks for the help, wdwerker! -TWS
  12. I just want to touch on this statement a little. I also build a variety of reptile enclosures, and I have use melamine a lot in their construction. Most of my reptiles are kept at fairly low humidity, so the melamine works out reasonably well. However, if a water bowl spills, or an animal does his bathroom break in the same spot over and over, the melamine quickly deteriorates, and the particle board underneath shortly thereafter. For this reason, I'm getting away from using melamine, even with my dryer reptiles, and I frankly don't see a place for it anywhere near an aquarium. Now, I'm not trying to sound like an ass or knock your statement too badly, because, as roger. pointed out previously, MANY commercial tank stands are made out of melamine, I just think they are nuts for doing so. Remember, tank manufacturers only have to have their stands hold up until the tank warranty expires. Thanks for your concern though! -TheWoodShouter
  13. Absolutely! Again, far from my first tank stand, either purchased or built myself. I swear, I've probably made dozens of stands for myself and others over the years, so I feel confident about most of these things. I'm here hoping you guys can help me build one that looks more professional, instead of a 2x4 frame wrapped in a piece of paneling board or something. I've made at least six like that, pretty good looking for cheap! And with this tank, there will be no exposed water under the stand at all. Thanks again for your concern, I will be careful! -TWS
  14. Hey wdwerker! We've chatted before on other threads, and I definitely appreciate you addressing my specific questions here. Yes, I know the top doesn't have to be solid, no one will see the part that's under the tank, and indeed many commercial stands are made that way. But, I just though it'd be easier to make it a solid piece, this way I can use different sized tanks on it if I decide too. However, this was a great observation, and that's what I'm hoping to get from you guys! Frame and panel sides, didn't really think of that one for this project! Awesome idea, let me give that some thought! How could the shelf me ply? Would I then have to edge band it with that iron on stuff? I've never tried that edge banding. If it comes to that, wouldn't be the worst thing. Thanks again man, this was a great reply! -TheWoodShouter
  15. Hey guys! Thank you all very much for the replies! I'd love to, but I've never seen this particular style of tank at any pet store here locally in over 30 years in the aquarium hobby. You hit the nail on the head about the weight thing my friend! I should have mentioned this in my original post, but I'm not at all concerned about the weight or the design or it's ability to hold the tank. I have been keeping aquariums for well over 30 years, I've built all kinds of stands, including a full cabinet stand for my previous 125 gallon salt water reef aquarium, I've just never tried to make one that's "furniture quality" looking. If you look at stands built by the tank manufacturers, they are largely all flimsy particle board, which does deteriorate over time when it inevitably gets wet. This is hotly debated at aquarium forums as well, but the vast majority of aquarium keepers feel that the vast majority of home made aquarium stands are way over engineered. You'd be surprised how big of a tank can be supported by plywood or even press-board, which indeed is what you find at the pet stores. And if you really want to laugh? Most tank manufacturers will only honer the warranty on their tanks IF you use one of their own crappy particle board stands! Can you believe that? Yep, plus the rocks ;-) Give or take, about 800 something pounds, as mentioned in my first post. ^^This! Hi buddy! You've helped me in another thread, so I appreciate you stopping by this one, but no worries on moisture for this tank because all my filters will be completely enclosed. But even when I ran a 60 gallon sump under my 125 gallon saltwater tank, I had no such issues, and frankly I've never seen that in the hobby. Most stands are open back for just this reason, and those that are not have built in, active ventilation. So thanks to everyone for their suggestions, but I think I have these points covered. Any other ideas, please let me know. Thanks again! -TWS EDIT: I did not mean any of that to sound like a jerk either, I just have a lot of experience on these points. My inexperience is in producing woodworking projects that look professional, and that's what I'm here to learn. Thanks though!