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  1. I've got the funds, I just don't want to spend excess money if I don't need to. I'm not looking for Bill Pentz perfection, but I don't want to build a system that won't work.
  2. I have a 18'x22' shop. I'm at the point where I want to run rigid ductwork to all of my tools (table saw, jointer, planer, band saw, miter saw, and a few more things in the future). I currently have the Harbor Freight 2HP dust collection with a Wynn filter on it. It works fairly well connected directly to each tool. One thing to note is that I only have 120V in the shop. I'd like to avoid getting 220V if possible because it would be an expensive install (my shop is an old recording studio with some fancy sound proofed walls). I'm considering a few options: Keep the Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector and add a Super Dust Deputy cyclone. Cost: $300 for the cyclone and collection drum Pros: Easy and cheap Cons: Only a 5" input Keep the Harbor Freight 2HP dust collector, mod it for 6", and get the Super Dust Deputy XL. Cost: $500 : $400 for the cyclone, collection drum and another $100 for the equipment for mod Pros: 6" input Cons: The HF collector really doesn't have enough CFMs for the XL cyclone, although I've seen people do this apparently with Oneida's blessing. Buy a new 120V dust collector. For example the Jet 1.5HP cyclone Cost: $1100 Pros: 6" input, already assembled (no DIY) Cons: Possibly not much better than the HF??? I haven't found too much info on this guy. Cave in and get 220V Cost: been quoted over $1k for the 220v install + cost of new dust collector Pros: lets me get a more powerful collector Cons: freaking expensive $$$$ What would you do? My instinct is to go with option #2. This lets me spend as little money as possible while still setting up 6" ducting and seeing what I can get out of my HF dust collector. If it's abysmal, I can bite the bullet and upgrade in the future.
  3. A final update: I ended up going with an engineered oak. It gets installed in a few days. To make my decision, I did some testing with a bunch of flooring samples, some solid and some engineered. I also tested plywood for a reference. I sprinkled some sawdust on them. The floors with very smooth finishes became super slick. The floors that feel more like natural wood aren't bad. The plywood was slicker than some of the flooring samples. For reference, the worst of the hardwood floors was about the same as my garage's concrete floor. So I wouldn't worry too much about slickness when it comes to wood floors, but I also wouldn't get the super smooth ones. I also did some tests dropping a heavy object. I took a 20-30 pound log and dropped it several times on the 90 degree edge from about 3 feet high. For reference, in a pine board, I ended up with a 1/4-1/2" deep gouge. The solid flooring held up the best, barely getting any damaged. The engineered flooring was a mixed bag. Some dented, but some were barely damaged, about the same as the solid flooring. I feel pretty about the engineered oak choice. It's not slick, at least not compared to plywood or concrete. It's also pretty durable, handling those drops about the same as solid oak.
  4. Yeah, the slickness is something I've noticed with the pre-finished flooring samples I've gotten. I'm thinking about getting unfinished flooring and then doing a simple finish myself. I don't need or want shiny floors like a house.
  5. I'm currently looking into two options: 1) Solid 3/4" glued down with special glue and vapor barriers. My research seems to show that this can be done properly. 2) Engineered wood with a 1/4" solid wear layer. Either way, I definitely want to go with something like oak or hickory.
  6. What do you guys think about this space being too nice for a shop? I'm a bit torn. There is a part of me that wants to tear down to studs and rebuild in more of a shop aesthetic, using something like t1-11.
  7. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to make this shop look residential. I'm just trying to balance things out. A part of me wants to tear down the building to studs and rebuild the walls and floors with more shop appropriate materials. It is totally unnecessary (and against shop aesthetic) that these rooms have wainscoting, molding, etc considering that it's shop space. I'm just not sure I see the value in spending the time and money to perform that renovation. If I am going to keep things looking kinda nice (i.e. not renovating back to basic shop aesthetics), then I at least want to put in a floor that matches. Whether that be decent quality plywood, utility grade flooring, etc, but the existing plywood underlayment would be a bit out of balance.
  8. Background: I recently posted about converting my back house into a shop. I'm converting two rooms (about 600 sqft total) and I want to install a wood flooring. Both rooms are currently carpet with plywood underlayment. One room is over insulated sleepers (which I'm hoping to run dust collection under) and the other is on a concrete slab. I definitely know I want to invest in a nice looking wood floor. This space is currently a finished residential space (one room has wainscoting for crying out loud), so my shop is probably gonna end up looking like more like house with woodworking tools in it than a typical shop, but I can live with that. Questions: 1) What type of flooring should I use? - Solid wood is nice, but expensive. Is it the best choice? - Is engineered wood better for a shop? I've also seen people mention laminate and LVT in other threads. 2) How should I install the floor? Floating, glue down, nailed down? I've heard people complain about floating floors in their shop space, so it makes me think that attaching it would be better. 3) Any consideration for wood species other than appearance? I want something lightly colored like white oak. It needs to be durable enough for a shop: rolling tools around, dropping chisels, etc.
  9. Thanks for the responses everyone! It's been super helpful to get all your ideas. Natural light: The living room gets a ton of natural light. With the doors open, the band room gets enough light to keep me sane (i.e. not feeling like I'm in a basement). The side of the room by the doors is actually quite bright. The side to the right could maybe use a skylight or two in the future, but I think I'll ignore it for now as it may not bother me once I have better artificial lighting. I went over there today and seeing how much light the band room already gets, I don't think I'd want to go through all the trouble of installing a window. I definitely don't want to lose the sound proofing. Dust and A/C: I forgot to mention another feature of this building. The band room has it's own A/C system. The rest of the guest house is on another A/C system. It won't be 100%, but since I'll be isolating power tools to the band room, this should help prevent dust from getting spread through the whole house by the A/C. Doors: Entering through the front door is certainly the most convenient. I'll have to walk through four doors to get the shop space. That's fine for walking out into the shop from the main house, but I'm not sure I'd want to carry lumber, tools, or large finished projects through that route. For bringing in large items, entering through the side door could be a possibility. I'd need to re-adjust the door to open outwards. That's doable, but it still seems like navigating large things into the shop will be difficult with the layout. If there is a way to use the existing doors in an effective way, please tell me so I can avoid the cost of installing a new door and walkway. Design space or how to use the bedroom: I will have a dedicated office in the main house. I could still see the bedroom being a design/making space. And possibly a guest room with a murphy bed. I don't know if I'll ever get back into things like electronics or 3d printing, but this could be the room for those things. Not sure yet - figuring out how to use this room is a problem for the future. Flooring: I pulled the carpet up in a corner today. It's typical plywood underlayment underneath. When it was a recording studio, it had wooden floors, so I was hoping they would still be there. Oh well. I do think I'd like to invest in a nice floor. Not sure it necessarily needs to be real hardwood, but I would like something nicer than plywood or laminate.
  10. Here's a floor plan of the back house. You can see how it's several doorways to get from the front door to what would be the shop space.
  11. I actually don't have a floor plan for the guest house. I'll put one together and post it here.
  12. Having a window from the band room into the living room is absolutely a possibility. See the built-in shelf in the band room? That was actually a window when this building was set up as a recording studio. Using the exterior front door is an idea worth considering. My main concern is that you have to pass through a bunch of doors. It's: front door -> laundry room -> bedroom -> kitchen -> living room. The laundry-to-bedroom and kitchen-to-living-room doors are double wide. I'm 90% sure the bedroom-to-kitchen door is normal width though, so that would need to be widened too. Honestly not thrilled about having to carry things through all those rooms. There is an also a side entrance to the kitchen, which could also possible be made double wide, although there is only 3 feet between that door and the fence, so getting large things in might be difficult. Hmm... Sky lights are something I've been thinking about. I'm also going to ask a contractor about the feasibility of busting a window through the cinder block and sound proofing. My plan is for all the dust making things to be in the band room, with dust collection in there. That way I can close the doors and use the living room as a clean space if needed. I might have two benches. One in the band room and one in the living room. Haven't quite figured it out yet. I don't want to walk back and forth while doing power tool work, but I also want a work surface that isn't in the dusty room.
  13. I'd love to add more windows, but I'm not sure if its feasible for the sound-proofed room with the walls being cinder blocks and having the sound-proofed layering. It's definitely something I'm thinking about though. I currently work in a window-less garage and having a few windows would do wonders.
  14. That's a good thought. I currently don't know how I'm going to fill out both rooms, but I'm sure it won't be too difficult. I currently work out of a 16' x 16' garage so this will feel huge. In my garage shop, I barely have room for my existing tools. No room for an assembly table, larger table saw, larger jointer, etc. I'm currently on a 1 in 1 out tool policy. I recently got rid of my miter saw to make room for a lathe. This new shop will feel huge, but I'm sure I'll be hungering for more space in the near future
  15. I recently purchased a home with a back house that I'm planning on converting into a shop. I want to share my progress and also ask a bunch of questions Let me start off by describing the back house in it's current condition. It's currently configured as a guest house suitable for renters. It has a full bathroom, a very small kitchen, a small bedroom, a decent sized living room, and a large window-less sound-proofed room. Before it was a guest house, it was configured as a recording studio which is why the large room is sound proofed. The rooms I'm planning on using as shop space: The sound-proofed room This room is 22' x 18' feet. The floors and walls are floating, with sound proofed insulation between the exterior and interior walls. Something like this: illustration of floating walls and floors Being a sound proofed room, it doesn't have any windows. It has lots of 120v outlets: every few feet along the wall and a few in middle of the floor (due to it being a band room before) I'm planning on making this the power tool room, with the hopes that the sound proofing will let me work later into the evening without disturbing the neighbors The living room This room is 14' x 16' This has a few small windows and a large window facing into the backyard. You have to walk through this room to get to the sound-proofed room. I'm not sure what my plans are for this room as I'm not used to having so much space. It would certainly make sense to do finishing in this room. I'm going to add an exterior door to this room and make it the "entrance" into the shop. The other rooms: Bathroom and kitchen What shop doesn't need a toilet and a fridge? Bedroom I may keep this as a bedroom for guests. Alternatively, I may turn this into an electronics lab. I have a room dedicated to electronics work in my current house, but I don't use it enough anymore to justify the space. My todo list for the conversion: Replace flooring. Both rooms currently have a lovely lavender carpet that I want to replace with something shop-worthy. Not sure what I'm going to replace it with yet. A wood floor sounds appealing, but might be too costly. Convert living room window into exterior double door. Add side walk leading from drive way to new exterior door Add better lighting to both rooms. They currently have dim track lighting. Consider adding 220v outlets to power tool room I've attached some pictures of the space to this post. Let me know what you think about the space and my plans. What would you do? Any Advice? The whole back house: The living room: The sound-proofed band room: Floor plan: