Woodenskye Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 minute ago, JosephThomas said: Oh right. I forgot the green and white paint helps it defy the laws of physics. The auto pilot feature kicks butt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 6 minutes ago, JosephThomas said: Oh right. I forgot the green and white paint helps it defy the laws of physics. Really happy to see you guys are starting to catch on.... 6 minutes ago, Woodenskye said: Yes it does. You add it to the track. I think the stops are for when you want to make a cut in the middle of a panel and limit the saw travel. It gives you the starting point and ending point of the cut. Ive never heard that they are used to prevent kickback. Again, used properly, plunging into the wood at full speed there shouldnt be any kickback. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted December 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 10 minutes ago, JosephThomas said: Does it have a feature that keeps it from kicking back? I thought only the dewalt did. I don't know for sure for bleedinblue, but my case was 100% user error. So no, the moral of the story is not to spend more money. The moral of the story is to be less stupid. In my case, anyway. I'm definitely assuming user error on my part, especially after the remaining cuts went so well. And Festool Shmestool. I can screw up no matter how expensive the tool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I found this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted December 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 Alright fine, the stops, cut indicator marks, and even the protractor look pretty dang useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 8 minutes ago, shaneymack said: I found this Sure. But the stops would work fine on a makita track I bet...if not I bet I could find or make one for less than the cost of your saw's power button. I don't know why we're still talking about this. Obviously the festool is super nice. Obviously the makita costs less, and works well for the cost. Not competing here, just trying to get you over amped up I guess, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 1 hour ago, shaneymack said: Really happy to see you guys are starting to catch on.... I think the stops are for when you want to make a cut in the middle of a panel and limit the saw travel. It gives you the starting point and ending point of the cut. Ive never heard that they are used to prevent kickback. Again, used properly, plunging into the wood at full speed there shouldnt be any kickback. When placed at the back of the saw, they limit the ability of the saw to move backwards, which will prevent kickback. I will try to find a video stating this, but below is the description of the rail limit stop. http://www.highlandwoodworking.com/festoolset-backstopforfs2guiderail-2.aspx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I have no track saw, so forgive my ignorance...don't most of them include a riving knife, which should prevent any climb cutting, therefore kickback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 33 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said: I have no track saw, so forgive my ignorance...don't most of them include a riving knife, which should prevent any climb cutting, therefore kickback? They do, but they are spring activated to engage into the kerf of the cut. In a plunge cut, you dont have a saw kerf for the riving knife to spring into until you cut a few inches. I take it his kickback happened 1-2 seconds into the cut. I agree the stop isnt specifically anti-kickback, but it does serve to keep things from getting out of control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I have had a minor amount of kickback with my tracksaw, but only when I try to one-hand the cut. Like I said early, you need to push forward a bit as your are plunging, or else the teeth of the blade will engage the top of the board and start to move backward. You need to apply some forward linear pressure to counteract that. Why would I try to operate the saw with one hand? Because that ultra-ribbed hose tends to grab on the board so I was holding the hose to guide it away from the board. If you have ever been to germany you know they are the kinky type - maybe that is why the hoses have so much ribbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted December 2, 2016 Report Share Posted December 2, 2016 I don't have a track saw but thought of them to be very safe.But it looks like they will turn your fingers into hotdogs just like other saws. I did borrow a friends Dewalt it worked well for the short time I used it. I am glad you weren't hurt Bleedinblue. Aj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Fast forward two years. I don't use this saw much. Mainly for cutting sheet goods, and that's just a few times a year. A couple days ago I was using Marc's method for cutting the tenon for the Roubo end cap. While clearing out the waste, another kick back. No injury and I didn't really feel I was in danger, but I chopped the track up some more and REALLY cut into my confidence with this saw. I'm as human as the next guy, but I am not careless in the shop. I felt no awkward movement before the kickback, and I wasn't doing anything the saw shouldn't be able to do. I didn't have the track clamped at the time, but I felt I was paying attention to balance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Your thread is why I own the ts55. Yours was the third kickback I'd hear of with that Makita. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 I expect I'll have a TS55 before long. Its gonna be hard to flip this Makita with a banged up track. Itll be like selling a wrecked car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brendon_t Posted February 25, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Lable it rustic or reclaimed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 39 minutes ago, bleedinblue said: I expect I'll have a TS55 before long. Go to the Festool recon site and sign up for email notification. The track saws show up quite often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chet said: Go to the Festool recon site and sign up for email notification. The track saws show up quite often. Nice. I've checked the site about four times since this happened I didn't know they had an email list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Steve Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Interesting... Not sure it applies to your first incident with the plunge cut, but I was curious about the question of a riving knife and apparently the Makita track saw does not have this feature. Festool does, Dewalt does... even the Grizzly one Marc reviewed a few years back has one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Indeed. I don't know if the lack of a riving knife is the reason I had my kickbacks, but like Brendan pointed out, I've never heard of a kickback with a Festool TS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 If you can swing the battery powered TSC 55 i can say that saw is awesome. Though if it's your only track saw i'd get a rip blade to go with it. The included plywood blade doesn't like dense hardwoods much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 10 hours ago, Chet said: Go to the Festool recon site and sign up for email notification. The track saws show up quite often. x2 I have bought a couple Festool recon tools both looked and worked like new just cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 TSC 55 on recon right now...... https://www.festoolrecon.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 Not suggesting you stand on the saw as it makes a cut, but how firm are you handling the tool? There is a moment with just about all kickbacks--table saw, router, plunge saw, whatever--where you have a second to recognize what is coming and overcome it. Im not saying there arent 10% of cases where things happen suddenly and almost unavoidably, but for the 2 table saw kickback incidents ive had, i have overcome another 20. When im plunging the TS75 into the workpiece, im anticipating an upward kickback. Riving knife or no, that is just the opposite and equal reaction of the cutting force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted February 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, Chestnut said: TSC 55 on recon right now...... https://www.festoolrecon.com/ It's showing a sander now. Just as well...I should cool the spending for a few weeks or couple months, lol. 4 minutes ago, Pwk5017 said: Not suggesting you stand on the saw as it makes a cut, but how firm are you handling the tool? There is a moment with just about all kickbacks--table saw, router, plunge saw, whatever--where you have a second to recognize what is coming and overcome it. Im not saying there arent 10% of cases where things happen suddenly and almost unavoidably, but for the 2 table saw kickback incidents ive had, i have overcome another 20. When im plunging the TS75 into the workpiece, im anticipating an upward kickback. Riving knife or no, that is just the opposite and equal reaction of the cutting force. I've felt those moments before on the tablesaw or a circular saw, when you know things are getting wonky. I just didn't notice anything going bad with either of these kickbacks before they happened. I'm sure something happened, but I didn't feel it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted February 25, 2019 Report Share Posted February 25, 2019 57 minutes ago, bleedinblue said: It's showing a sander now. And just like that it's now lighting. The offer actually changed while I was looking at the web page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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