So is face jointing long boards not needed?

[Barron 255]

Again, jointing and planing don’t keep boards from warping, they remove warping, cupping and bowing that occurred while the board dried.  If the board hasn’t completely dried, jointing and planing won’t keep it from moving in the future. 

[wtnhighlander 6417]

6 hours ago, Art said:

I know this is a bit of a hijack, but I'd never heard of this beadlock system before.  It looks like a poor man's domino to me.  I can see that it isn't as efficient or quick, but otherwise seems like a reasonable loose tenon system, at a significant cost savings.  Am I missing something here?

You nailed it - beadlock is not quick. 

Fast, good, cheap. Domino hits 2/3, Beadlock hits 2/3. Just not the same 2.

I think beadlock is not so popular because it has little advantage over a router cut mortise, and the routed mortise doesn't need special tenons.

[wdwerker 7642]

I expand the range of tenons available for my Domino by making wider & longer ones than Festool sells.  Scrap, tablesaw, drum sander (maybe a planer could suffice) and the router table. Domino machines have 3 width settings but they only sell tenons to fit the smallest width.  When 2 dominos won't fit a part I use one of my  wider ones. 

The trick is when you set up cut a bunch of scrap sticks 18" -24" long . Then you can cut them to length as needed. 

I think someone sells a router bit to make your own beadlock tenon stock . I bet it's not easy to get set up just right.

[Isaac 670]

1 hour ago, wtnhighlander said:

You nailed it - beadlock is not quick. 

Fast, good, cheap. Domino hits 2/3, Beadlock hits 2/3. Just not the same 2.

I think beadlock is not so popular because it has little advantage over a router cut mortise, and the routed mortise doesn't need special tenons.

It is also only marginally better than just going for regular dowels. In his use case, I think dowels, installed more quickly, should perform just as well. I imagine the glue joint without any connectors will be fine, and the dowels/biscuits/tenons are really only there to provide alignment assistance during glue up.

[Llama 3735]

Watching guys like Diresta on youtube trying to get woodworking instruction is like watching a movie with a drunk lady making cookies. Sure, it's entertaining but you aren't going to learn how to make cookies. 

[wtnhighlander 6417]

But then, Diresta never claims to be giving instruction. Entertainment, maybe inspiration, but not instruction.

[Chestnut 4162]

47 minutes ago, Llama said:

Watching guys like Diresta on youtube trying to get woodworking instruction is like watching a movie with a drunk lady making cookies. Sure, it's entertaining but you aren't going to learn how to make cookies. 

I don't know if i want to watch a guy run around a shop I'll just put a mirror up. At least i tell myself jokes his videos don't even have witty remarks.

[krtwood 430]

One thing about Jimmy and Marc, they are both humble guys who never claim to be something they are not and you'll never hear them putting down anyone else.  That is part of why they both have communities of people around them.  Whereas the attitude that sometimes gets displayed around here only serves to drive people away.

[Think0075 6]

We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... 

Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool...

How about we appreciate people making things for themselves, and offer critique and advice when it's asked for. 

 

[Mick S 1700]

3 hours ago, Think0075 said:

We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... 

Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool...

How about we appreciate people making things for themselves, and offer critique and advice when it's asked for. 

 

I'm pretty sure that's what Cygnus A asked for in the original post - critique and advice.

[BillyJack 172]

Watched it again and still can't see the hack.. I make these tables at work. A little better than the video...

These are for Chilli's restaurant. One to two per store.....

I don't run the face on the jointer, but will run through the planer for a consistent thickness before glue up...

 

[wtnhighlander 6417]

@BillyJack are those the table tops drying on a rack behind the base in pic #3?

[BillyJack 172]

10 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said:

@BillyJack are those the table tops drying on a rack behind the base in pic #3?

pretty much...

[Denette 914]

Whenever I have to decide whether or not to joint something, my go-to indication is whether or not I can easily bend out a bow by hand.  I figure that if I'm strong enough to correct it without straining, then the glue should have no problem.  If, say, there is ⅛" of cupping over a 6' length, there's no point in losing thickness at the jointer.  In the picture from Diresta, however, I'd definitely have gone with different boards.  Those are way out of line.  But, as has been said, he doesn't claim to be a maker of fine furniture.

[Chestnut 4162]

9 hours ago, Think0075 said:

Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool...

I'm not a superior craftsman just a fellow hack. I don't facejoint all my lumber which is why i'm aware of the problems it causes. I don't think diresta tries on a lot of his projects. He just needs to get a youtube video out which is his job, a job he's doing well. I don't know why you guys get bent out of shape for me calling a duck a duck disagree with me cool that's what life is.

[Llama 3735]

10 hours ago, Think0075 said:

We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... 

I constantly get crap for not having hobby level equipment in my shop, cool... 

I feel like I'm in some sort of Poe's Law section of the forum here. 

[Llama 3735]

Just now, I B said:

Stop sucking because you can afford nice things.

I really get it... It's like the Festool hate but turned up like 600 notches.

He joints his boards  BURN HIM! LOL 

I don't expect much more from these pages anymore. 

[Tpt life 2540]

Wow! This got severely derailed and might call for some Mod PMs and cleaning up. Method can depend on tooling, but let’s call a jointer a jointer and not get hung up on Grizzly vs Hammer. 

[..Kev 5804]

10 hours ago, Think0075 said:

We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... 

Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool...

How about we appreciate people making things for themselves, and offer critique and advice when it's asked for. 

 

The purpose of a thread like this is to offer up advise like both did.  Just because many of us don't have equipment like llama does or do things the way Chestnut does doesn't make their advise and experience wrong.  Reality is that both are right and their advise is sound.  

If you don't like their advise, don't follow it.  There's no need to make it personal, we all have different ways of doing things.  That's one of the things that makes this forum what it is.  Allowing discussion around the way people do things without making it personal.  Let the OP decide what's right for them after seeing the discussions around all the options. 

[bleedinblue 1217]

I think this has gotten silly and it's time to lock this up.

Also not too sure the story behind a new profile that comes directly to this thread to start slinging even more mud than has already been slung.  Maybe my cynicism is getting the better of me...   

[BillyJack 172]

It's art to some and a hack to others...

[Chestnut 4162]

[Cygnus A 88]

Lively discussion haha. I step away for a few days and people are cutting throats.

[andrew-in-austin 60]

Anyone here regularly face joint 10" x 10 foot x 8/4 boards?  It's almost impossible to get them perfectly flat.  I tried it for my wife's desk, and I had to remove a lot of material.  When the boards are that long, The flex in across the entire board is quite a lot, to the point where sometimes bow can be there, or not, depending on what face is up and where the supports are.  For twist, jointing can help, but having it perfectly flat is not always necessary, especially if it has something like 1/4" twist across 10 feet.  That will never cause a glue up problem or snap back, unless it is 3" thick.

There's also the type of table the top goes on.  An apron like the one he has has a lot of support.  A trestle would have been a lot more important to maintain flatness.

[Andy Wright 209]

looking at 3:50 in the video that table top looks pretty damn flat. My bet is that the table will be fine and won't unexpectedly explode into a pile of splinters