Barron 263 Posted January 6, 2018 Report Share Posted January 6, 2018 Again, jointing and planing don’t keep boards from warping, they remove warping, cupping and bowing that occurred while the board dried. If the board hasn’t completely dried, jointing and planing won’t keep it from moving in the future. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wtnhighlander 7505 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 6 hours ago, Art said: I know this is a bit of a hijack, but I'd never heard of this beadlock system before. It looks like a poor man's domino to me. I can see that it isn't as efficient or quick, but otherwise seems like a reasonable loose tenon system, at a significant cost savings. Am I missing something here? You nailed it - beadlock is not quick. Fast, good, cheap. Domino hits 2/3, Beadlock hits 2/3. Just not the same 2. I think beadlock is not so popular because it has little advantage over a router cut mortise, and the routed mortise doesn't need special tenons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wdwerker 7646 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I expand the range of tenons available for my Domino by making wider & longer ones than Festool sells. Scrap, tablesaw, drum sander (maybe a planer could suffice) and the router table. Domino machines have 3 width settings but they only sell tenons to fit the smallest width. When 2 dominos won't fit a part I use one of my wider ones. The trick is when you set up cut a bunch of scrap sticks 18" -24" long . Then you can cut them to length as needed. I think someone sells a router bit to make your own beadlock tenon stock . I bet it's not easy to get set up just right. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Isaac 671 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 1 hour ago, wtnhighlander said: You nailed it - beadlock is not quick. Fast, good, cheap. Domino hits 2/3, Beadlock hits 2/3. Just not the same 2. I think beadlock is not so popular because it has little advantage over a router cut mortise, and the routed mortise doesn't need special tenons. It is also only marginally better than just going for regular dowels. In his use case, I think dowels, installed more quickly, should perform just as well. I imagine the glue joint without any connectors will be fine, and the dowels/biscuits/tenons are really only there to provide alignment assistance during glue up. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Llama 3765 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Watching guys like Diresta on youtube trying to get woodworking instruction is like watching a movie with a drunk lady making cookies. Sure, it's entertaining but you aren't going to learn how to make cookies. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wtnhighlander 7505 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 But then, Diresta never claims to be giving instruction. Entertainment, maybe inspiration, but not instruction. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chestnut 5378 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 47 minutes ago, Llama said: Watching guys like Diresta on youtube trying to get woodworking instruction is like watching a movie with a drunk lady making cookies. Sure, it's entertaining but you aren't going to learn how to make cookies. I don't know if i want to watch a guy run around a shop I'll just put a mirror up. At least i tell myself jokes his videos don't even have witty remarks. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post krtwood 541 Posted January 7, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 One thing about Jimmy and Marc, they are both humble guys who never claim to be something they are not and you'll never hear them putting down anyone else. That is part of why they both have communities of people around them. Whereas the attitude that sometimes gets displayed around here only serves to drive people away. 2 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Think0075 6 Posted January 7, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool... How about we appreciate people making things for themselves, and offer critique and advice when it's asked for. 1 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Mick S 2396 Posted January 7, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Think0075 said: We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool... How about we appreciate people making things for themselves, and offer critique and advice when it's asked for. I'm pretty sure that's what Cygnus A asked for in the original post - critique and advice. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillyJack 349 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Watched it again and still can't see the hack.. I make these tables at work. A little better than the video... These are for Chilli's restaurant. One to two per store..... I don't run the face on the jointer, but will run through the planer for a consistent thickness before glue up... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wtnhighlander 7505 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 @BillyJack are those the table tops drying on a rack behind the base in pic #3? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillyJack 349 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said: @BillyJack are those the table tops drying on a rack behind the base in pic #3? pretty much... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Denette 914 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Whenever I have to decide whether or not to joint something, my go-to indication is whether or not I can easily bend out a bow by hand. I figure that if I'm strong enough to correct it without straining, then the glue should have no problem. If, say, there is ⅛" of cupping over a 6' length, there's no point in losing thickness at the jointer. In the picture from Diresta, however, I'd definitely have gone with different boards. Those are way out of line. But, as has been said, he doesn't claim to be a maker of fine furniture. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chestnut 5378 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Think0075 said: Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool... I'm not a superior craftsman just a fellow hack. I don't facejoint all my lumber which is why i'm aware of the problems it causes. I don't think diresta tries on a lot of his projects. He just needs to get a youtube video out which is his job, a job he's doing well. I don't know why you guys get bent out of shape for me calling a duck a duck disagree with me cool that's what life is. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post Llama 3765 Posted January 7, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Think0075 said: We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... I constantly get crap for not having hobby level equipment in my shop, cool... I feel like I'm in some sort of Poe's Law section of the forum here. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Llama 3765 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Just now, I B said: Stop sucking because you can afford nice things. I really get it... It's like the Festool hate but turned up like 600 notches. He joints his boards BURN HIM! LOL I don't expect much more from these pages anymore. 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tpt life 2742 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 Wow! This got severely derailed and might call for some Mod PMs and cleaning up. Method can depend on tooling, but let’s call a jointer a jointer and not get hung up on Grizzly vs Hammer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post ..Kev 5856 Posted January 7, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 10 hours ago, Think0075 said: We get it, llama threw down a bunch of cash so he can joint everything, cool... Chestnut, thinks he is a superior craftsman because he face joints all his boards, cool... How about we appreciate people making things for themselves, and offer critique and advice when it's asked for. The purpose of a thread like this is to offer up advise like both did. Just because many of us don't have equipment like llama does or do things the way Chestnut does doesn't make their advise and experience wrong. Reality is that both are right and their advise is sound. If you don't like their advise, don't follow it. There's no need to make it personal, we all have different ways of doing things. That's one of the things that makes this forum what it is. Allowing discussion around the way people do things without making it personal. Let the OP decide what's right for them after seeing the discussions around all the options. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bleedinblue 1224 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 I think this has gotten silly and it's time to lock this up. Also not too sure the story behind a new profile that comes directly to this thread to start slinging even more mud than has already been slung. Maybe my cynicism is getting the better of me... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillyJack 349 Posted January 7, 2018 Report Share Posted January 7, 2018 It's art to some and a hack to others... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Cygnus A 88 Posted January 8, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2018 Lively discussion haha. I step away for a few days and people are cutting throats. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andrew-in-austin 60 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 Anyone here regularly face joint 10" x 10 foot x 8/4 boards? It's almost impossible to get them perfectly flat. I tried it for my wife's desk, and I had to remove a lot of material. When the boards are that long, The flex in across the entire board is quite a lot, to the point where sometimes bow can be there, or not, depending on what face is up and where the supports are. For twist, jointing can help, but having it perfectly flat is not always necessary, especially if it has something like 1/4" twist across 10 feet. That will never cause a glue up problem or snap back, unless it is 3" thick. There's also the type of table the top goes on. An apron like the one he has has a lot of support. A trestle would have been a lot more important to maintain flatness. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andy Wright 209 Posted January 9, 2018 Report Share Posted January 9, 2018 looking at 3:50 in the video that table top looks pretty damn flat. My bet is that the table will be fine and won't unexpectedly explode into a pile of splinters Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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