Popular Post wnaziri Posted April 24, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 I am a big fan of Kyle Toth and his design sense. He is an artist whose medium happens to be wood / furniture. Anyway, he has made a table on more than one occasion that looks like it has a tablecloth draped on it but in fact it is different species of wood with some inlay. I love the design and have been wanting to make one like it. To get ready for the project, I elected to make a prototype to see what dimensions I wanted. This table is my prototype. It is based on the table that was built on the most recent episode of FWW Rough Cut. The top is 17' by 42". the height is 27.5". It is constructed using Domino's. The lumber is QS sapele. Having witnessed the natural color of the lumber as it darkens with time (not a fan!), I chose to apply Darrel Peart's stain on this project. The finish is my standard wash coat of 1 lb cut de-waxed shellac followed by 3 coats of Arm-R-Seal. I will likely gift this to someone when I get going on the actual project. The above 2 pictures give you a good idea of the color of newly milled QS sapele. Thank you. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 That's a beautiful table with great proportions & lines. I sure do love the look of sapele. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Steve Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Beautiful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Very well done Wade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 I like everything about that table!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondhockey Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Very nice, and the wood is lovely both before and after finishing. DId you use a clear shellac, or would that have mattered since you stained it? Did your previous project darken despite a finish? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 Your prototype looks better than my finished products! Very nice, I can't wait to see how the "tablecloth" version turns out. BTW, what is your local cost for sapele, as compared to walnut, for example? I'd like to work with sapele, but haven't run across an local supply so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted April 24, 2018 Report Share Posted April 24, 2018 I will be following this one. I've seen a tablecloth look done before so I want to know how . Sapele is slightly cheaper than African Mahogany at my suppliers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondhockey Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 I'm getting deja vu, all over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 I agree. Big fan of Kyle Toth. I love his routed ebonized veneer tables and boxes. He must have tremendous patience and a very strong back to be able to do that for hours on end - not to mention a steady hand. Being somewhat older and much less patient, I'm planning on doing some tests on the CNC to get a similar effect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnaziri Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 For the "tablecloth" table, I intend to use birdseye maple as the primary wood. I just finished making the banding that I will be using. The banding is wenge sandwiched between strips of holy and black veneer. Here is how it turned out. The strip is 3/4 inch wide and 1/16 thick. It actually turned out pretty nice. I am having a hard time deciding on what lumber species to use for the middle section of the table, the part that conveys the sense of cloth that is draped on top and it extends below table surface at 90 degrees at the two ends. I would love to use an amazing piece of lumber that I have but it is Purpleheart!!! I am not a fan of the purpleheart. If I can stomach it for about 6 months to a year, it will then turn a beautiful maroon color. This piece has flame figure and check it out: I have not made my final decision yet. I will keep playing some idea over the next few days to weeks. If I make it and my wife and I are not loving it, my daughter would love to take it. She loves the color purple. Who knows, I may end up making a second (very expensive) prototype. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnaziri Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 4 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: Your prototype looks better than my finished products! Very nice, I can't wait to see how the "tablecloth" version turns out. BTW, what is your local cost for sapele, as compared to walnut, for example? I'd like to work with sapele, but haven't run across an local supply so far. Thanks. I bought the sapele through an auction so I can not comment of the price. I bought about100 bf of 8/4 prime sapele, with max length of 4 feet, for about $180. I have used it for several projects so far and I am about to deplete my supply. I really like the look of the quarter sawn sapele. However, it is not easy to work with. I have pretty sharp planes but this stuff will get tear out easily. It works really well with a spiral cutterhead planer / jointer. Sapele color does change with time and from what I have observed, the color gets a greenish tint and, to me, it is not pleasing. It does not have the warm look of aged genuine mahogany. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Thanks for an explanation on the color change. I was kind of wonder what you meant earlier that you didn't like where it went. It also makes sense why it seemed you'd been using it a lot. When you run out what's your next species you'll use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 One piece of ribbon stripe Sapele that I had leftover darkened and acquired a kinda metallic sheen when seen from certain directions. I don't remember seeing it on the finished piece after a coat of stain to darken it to the clients request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 10 hours ago, wnaziri said: I am having a hard time deciding on what lumber species to use for the middle section of the table, the part that conveys the sense of cloth that is draped on top and it extends below table surface at 90 degrees at the two ends. I would love to use an amazing piece of lumber that I have but it is Purpleheart!!! I am not a fan of the purpleheart. If I can stomach it for about 6 months to a year, it will then turn a beautiful maroon color. This piece has flame figure and check it out: I have not made my final decision yet. I will keep playing some idea over the next few days to weeks. If I make it and my wife and I are not loving it, my daughter would love to take it. She loves the color purple. Who knows, I may end up making a second (very expensive) prototype. I wonder if, just prior to applying the finish, putting the piece in the sun for a day or 2 would hasten the color change. It is a spectacular board. I've seen silk fabric that has that look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnaziri Posted April 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, drzaius said: I wonder if, just prior to applying the finish, putting the piece in the sun for a day or 2 would hasten the color change. It is a spectacular board. I've seen silk fabric that has that look. You nailed it! The shimmer on the piece reminds one of silk cloth. I love the idea of pre-exposure to change the color. From what I understand, purpleheart color change is not so much UV exposure. It supposedly changes color due to oxidation. Anyone have a spare hyperbaric chamber I can use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Dowse it with liquid oxygen! What could possibly go wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted April 25, 2018 Report Share Posted April 25, 2018 Good opportunity to experiment with mild acid or basic solutions. Each can have very marked effect on wood coloration. Try some vinegar, houshold ammonia, or diluted sodium hydroxide (lye) drain cleaner. Lye produces some very rich color in the oak, walnut, mulberry and cherry I have experimented with, and it penetrats a bit, light sanding doesn't damage the color. Some suggest netralizing the lye with a vinegar wash, but IMO, just letting the lye solution dry on the wood 'uses up' its reactivity. If using drain cleaner crystals as the source for lye, I dilute to no more than 1/2 the strength recommended for cleaning drains. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 11 hours ago, wnaziri said: The shimmer on the piece reminds one of silk cloth. Chatoyancy. One of my favorite characteristics of wood. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondhockey Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Wouldn't H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) speed up oxidation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 What, no love for my liquid O2 plan? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondhockey Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 6 minutes ago, drzaius said: What, no love for my liquid O2 plan? You get major points for creativity! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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