Tpt life 2794 Posted February 27 Report Share Posted February 27 Is grounding required to register difference in potential? Does this require footwear that does not isolate, or contact with the tables surface with a hand? Reading you comment Gee is what got me thinking. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chestnut 5751 Posted March 1 Report Share Posted March 1 On 2/27/2021 at 8:54 AM, Mark J said: Still non-flesh triggers happen. It would be a nice development if they could figure out a way to pull it off while preserving the blade. Or if Felder could make their system cheap enough for people to actually buy. Bosch figured it out sawstop served them with a lawsuit. Remember the reaxx contractor saw? I don't think sawstop has much intention of making their system better or they'd have done it by now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wtnhighlander 7766 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 I'm not sure the Bosch system would work properly for the greater mass of a cabinet saw driveline. Portable jobsite saws are pretty low mass, so their explosive cartridge (compressed gas, wasn't it?) had enough power to drop the blade below the table, but SS would need a significant rework of their patented system to manage that without using driveline inertia as part of the motive force to drop the blade. I'd like to see how Felder does it, I'm guessing there is a massive spring involved, somehow. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG 1257 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 8 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: I'd like to see how Felder does it, I'm guessing there is a massive spring involved, somehow. I thought theirs was electromagnets? Not sure they ever gave much detail though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
drzaius 2635 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 2 hours ago, JohnG said: I thought theirs was electromagnets? Not sure they ever gave much detail though. Nope, used a gas cartridge that was good for 2 activations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnG 1257 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 5 hours ago, drzaius said: Nope, used a gas cartridge that was good for 2 activations. Sorry, I meant Felder’s. I meant to only quote that part. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark J 2291 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 As I recall resetting the Felder system after an activation does not require any replacement part or consumable. But as I recall it's also $50k. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chestnut 5751 Posted March 2 Report Share Posted March 2 15 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: I'm not sure the Bosch system would work properly for the greater mass of a cabinet saw driveline. Portable jobsite saws are pretty low mass, so their explosive cartridge (compressed gas, wasn't it?) had enough power to drop the blade below the table, but SS would need a significant rework of their patented system to manage that without using driveline inertia as part of the motive force to drop the blade. I'd like to see how Felder does it, I'm guessing there is a massive spring involved, somehow. I haven't dug through engineering drawings to see how they work. My gut instinct is that it's not that different. I could probably figure out a way to make it work. Man now i want to examine how they are both built. The sawstop contraption looks like it'd work easily with the gas cylinder as it's quite light looking. Using springs and a sear it'd be pretty easy to offset the weight of a swinging component and the spring would help keep the blade below the table.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wtnhighlander 7766 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Drew, it may just be that the brake reduces injury a bit more. There is a slow-motion video floating around, of a SS tripping. You can clearly see that the blade stops long before it drops. And is clearly under high stress, I would not try to re-use it. Of course, at normal speed, the blade disappears in maybe one frame of video, so the added time is relatively short. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chestnut 5751 Posted March 3 Report Share Posted March 3 Seen the video multiple times. I still stand buy the brake being unnecessary. The Felder and Bosch design were retracting the blade fast enough to only leave a scratch (very similar to the SS) but neither damage the saw blade. I don't think that Gass intended the brake to retract the blade. The brake was the main function and the retracting was a secondary result because the energy is easier to deal with if it's redirected. Though I doubt very few people will truly know the answer to this question. The evidence is the blade comes to a complete stop before it retracts. If retracting the blade was his main goal i strongly feel the design of the saw and safety system would be dramatically different EG Felder and Bosch. Also the blade would still probably have some rotational motion as it's retracting. Again I haven't had a chance to closely examine the Bosch, Felder, nor sawstop system in person. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeidiM 0 Posted yesterday at 01:59 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 01:59 AM I had an inadvertent brake activation the first time I went to use the saw. I was testing out the power on procedures and had no wood touching the blade when the brake activated. (The k-chunk is not a sound you want to hear). I just sent in the brake to SS, so I'm not sure why it activated. The engineer I talked to on the phone from SS said they encounter a lot of folks who were plugged into an outlet that had a "brownout" or a large electrical draw as the saw powered on and that will cause the brake to activate. My blade had barely begun spinning, it was so quick to shut down right up front. My best guess is that my activation was caused by the outlet, but I'm anxious to see what the SS engineers find. My brake was the one that shipped with the saw (it's all brand new), and when I removed the activated brake, there was a loose piece of metal jangling around inside it. I don't know if this happened when the brake activated or if it got this way during shipping (it shipped installed in the saw). The owner's manual does guide you through testing to see if you should use the override feature, so I will definitely use that. It hurts to have to buy a new brake and blade before I ever got to use them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mark J 2291 Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 03:04 PM Sorry to hear that, but welcome to the forum. Keep us posted on what SawStop says. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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