Isaac Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Leaseman said: I don't have drill press. Any other way of doing it? Of course, there are a variety of methods, with varying degrees of quality/precision. Drill googling drilling angled holes without a drill press and watching some youtube videos. That is not meant to be dismissive, but to encourage you to look around and see what method might work for your skill level and available tools. I do think an accurate drawing would help as you could determine the required angle. A dowel jig would really help drill the holes on the stretches, but won't work for the legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Byrdie Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Disagree with "A dowel jig would really help drill the holes on the stretches, but won't work for the legs." A dowel jig is a guiding device. A properly built jig with the correct angle that fits under the dowel jig would allow it to be used to drill the legs. Getting the dowel jig to the correct angle and location is the trick in this application. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted January 30, 2019 Report Share Posted January 30, 2019 Coulda chopped those out with a drill & chisel in less time than it took to type all the questions & answers. Never hurts to develop some hand tool skills. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 6 hours ago, Byrdie said: Disagree with "A dowel jig would really help drill the holes on the stretches, but won't work for the legs." A dowel jig is a guiding device. A properly built jig with the correct angle that fits under the dowel jig would allow it to be used to drill the legs. Getting the dowel jig to the correct angle and location is the trick in this application. Do you have an image of what you have in mind? Seems a bit tricky to get right for an arbitrary angle likes this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 5 hours ago, drzaius said: Coulda chopped those out with a drill & chisel in less time than it took to type all the questions & answers. Never hurts to develop some hand tool skills. Would you agree the angled shoulders and miters might make it a bit challenging for a beginner hand tool project? Not only harder to produce them, but harder to determine the correct angles and locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 13 minutes ago, Isaac said: Would you agree the angled shoulders and miters might make it a bit challenging for a beginner hand tool project? Not only harder to produce them, but harder to determine the correct angles and locations. Certainly a little more difficult than if they were straight, but once laid out with a knife & tape it wouldn't be terribly difficult. It would also be helpful to cut an angle guide block just to help keep the sides true. As far as figuring the angles, drawing it out in plan view at full scale would be very easy & that would automatically give the exact angles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted January 31, 2019 Report Share Posted January 31, 2019 33 minutes ago, drzaius said: Certainly a little more difficult than if they were straight, but once laid out with a knife & tape it wouldn't be terribly difficult. It would also be helpful to cut an angle guide block just to help keep the sides true. As far as figuring the angles, drawing it out in plan view at full scale would be very easy & that would automatically give the exact angles. Yeah drawing full size was my suggestion as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Leaseman Posted February 2, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Running with Isaac's idea (and input from others). I think I have figured this out. Basically I drilled doweling holes in the stretchers first, then cut the angle to accommodate the leg. Here were the steps using scrap wood to test. Here is the test stretcher. The angled lined at the left shows where the board will be cut to fit against the leg. The line on the right shows how deep the dowel hole will go. Notice how much would I'm cutting on the left. That will be my "doweling jig" for the leg. Below shows the stretcher after the cut. Again notice the "waste" piece on the left that will become the jig. Holes have been drilled in the stretcher. I've placed the top dowel in and laid it over the "leg" to illustrate the angle. I then clamp the jig made from the waste cut above to drill my angled holes the the leg. Final assembly. Yes it's crooked but this test shows that it works. Pretty cool. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted February 2, 2019 Report Share Posted February 2, 2019 Good solution, Leaseman! A large portion of our hobby comes down to analytical thinking to solve problems like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyJack Posted February 3, 2019 Report Share Posted February 3, 2019 On 1/29/2019 at 11:48 AM, Tpt life said: I think I’d fab a 45° cradle with fences either side. I’d cut the legs square to the sretcher and could use the fences to true with a shoulder plane maybe. I’d have to play a bit to get that to work. Then you’d have a square face to mortise for a tenon or dowel with a fair amount of repeatability. Cradle....agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronn W Posted February 4, 2019 Report Share Posted February 4, 2019 Jigs, jigs, jigs. It's all about the jigs. I keep most of my jigs, telling myself that I will use them one day. Not so much so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peepaw Posted February 19, 2019 Report Share Posted February 19, 2019 Hey guys, late to the party. If you wanted to use the router and create mortice and tenon, what about making the legs oversize, machining the mortice, then cut the outside of the legs at the appropriate angle and bring to size. No special jigs. Just throwing it out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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