pkinneb Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 This looks like a pretty cool technology it will be interesting to see if it makes it to consumer equipment maybe on the Hammer line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Very cool. It’s nice seeing a different method than SS so that it won’t be killed/delayed by lawsuits. I remember seeing them tease this system a while back, but I’m glad this had more info about how the system works. It’s also very cool that it returns the blade to the same height after the trigger. Hope it makes it to the Hammer line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Beasley Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Its going to be pricey whatever form it gets to the market in. Hope they can make it competitive with Sawstop. Looks like they are intent on building a wholly automated control system for the saw at top end, servo controlled lift and angle would be great for a commercial operation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Man makes me hungry for a hotdog.... got one in the fridge for lunch This is an awesome system, defiantly improves on what Bosch did let alone the sawstop system. The blade destruction and brake system was ok for a first iteration but I'm almost slightly disappointed after seeing this that Sawstop stopped innovating. Hindsight makes this seem like the next logical step. I'm goign to continue to be irritated I'll never get a slider into my shop.... too big and too heavy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim DaddyO Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 Oh, you can bet Gass (inventor of SS) is working on how it infringes on SS technology. He is a patent lawyer after all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, Chestnut said: The blade destruction and brake system was ok for a first iteration but I'm almost slightly disappointed after seeing this that Sawstop stopped innovating. Same here. I think developments like this will force them to come up with something better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronn W Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 I suppose, like any other new technology, it will take a while for the price to come down and for it to filter into the part of the market where most of us live. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Jim DaddyO said: Oh, you can bet Gass (inventor of SS) is working on how it infringes on SS technology. He is a patent lawyer after all. Any smart company defends their patents. No point in going through the time and expense of getting them if you’re not going to defend them. 2 hours ago, Chestnut said: The blade destruction and brake system was ok for a first iteration but I'm almost slightly disappointed after seeing this that Sawstop stopped innovating. Hindsight makes this seem like the next logical step. Hopefully this coming out will spur some other innovation, either from SS or other companies. It shows that there are other methods, and potentially better ones still. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 9 minutes ago, JohnG said: Any smart company defends their patents. No point in going through the time and expense of getting them if you’re not going to defend them. Hopefully this coming out will spur some other innovation, either from SS or other companies. It shows that there are other methods, and potentially better ones still. This is true. The meat cutting band saw method is pretty interesting as well. It's been posted around. If it were me I'd create a system that has a brake on the blade and then make the user dip their fingers in nano bots. Track the nano bots and when ever they get with in a 1/4" of the blade activate the brake. Only because nano bots and woodworking would be an awesome pair. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drzaius Posted September 18, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 My son has an electric fence around his horse pasture that I inadvertently tested one day If you could somehow rig up one of those things around a saw blade, people would learn in a hurry to keep their fingers away. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted September 18, 2019 Report Share Posted September 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Ronn W said: I suppose, like any other new technology, it will take a while for the price to come down and for it to filter into the part of the market where most of us live. i.e. the used market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim DaddyO Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Sawstops patents start to expire in August 2021. There is a possibility of them being extended to 2024. There are about 100 of them. They are written in the vaguest lawyer gobbily gook so as to cover the most area. Still, it's only a matter of time. I notice that Felder uses the term "reacts at light speed". SS patents include a reaction time for the mechanism, so that is probably the reason. They have tried to wrap up "flesh sensing technology" within their patents too. So Felder may be challenged on that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 I wouldn't be surprised to see Gass file suit over the terms "PCS" and "Stop". I understand protecting one's intellectual property, and I have no issues against the tech employed in the SS tools. My only gripe is that Gass (allegedly?) lobbied congress to pass a law requiring flesh-sensing tech on all new tablesaws sold in the US, when he owned the only tech to do so. Effectively, he was asking them to grant him a monopoly and garanteed market. Not OK, IMO. If someone knows this to be untrue, please set me straight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, wtnhighlander said: I wouldn't be surprised to see Gass file suit over the terms "PCS" and "Stop". I understand protecting one's intellectual property, and I have no issues against the tech employed in the SS tools. My only gripe is that Gass (allegedly?) lobbied congress to pass a law requiring flesh-sensing tech on all new tablesaws sold in the US, when he owned the only tech to do so. Effectively, he was asking them to grant him a monopoly and garanteed market. Not OK, IMO. If someone knows this to be untrue, please set me straight. Did you catch the lawsuit in 2015 he filed against every maker of table saw for" conspired to boycott SawStop’s safety technology and corrupt a private safety-standard-setting process". The original case and appeal were both dismissed. It was interesting though. He seems like he's more interested in doing lawyer things than table saws. Just in case you missed it the above is a link to the US courts document. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mark J Posted September 19, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Or he's a zealous fanatic obsessed with protecting the world's voiceless fingers, whether they want to be or not. I'm glad to see Felder and Bosch pursue the R&D on these safety mechanisms. It validates the safety concept and will eventually drive some choice into the market place. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 I just watched the video. It really is clever, and a very different approach to SawStop. I wonder if Felder's system would be triggered by wet wood or nails. But alas I think that is going to be limited to high end Felders for the near future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, Chestnut said: He seems like he's more interested in doing lawyer things than table saws. This is true... He never wanted to make saws, but Ryobi wanted him to be responsible for his technology in their saws. He said "I might as well make the saws myself then" ... And that's what he did. The rest, is history 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted September 19, 2019 Report Share Posted September 19, 2019 Well, I made it to page 21 of the court docs before falling asleep. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankstick Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 I learned the 11th Commandment- Thou Shalt Keep Thy Body Parts Away From The Blade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 I often wonder why the object always chosen to demonstrate the SS safety feature is a weiner??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim DaddyO Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said: I often wonder why the object always chosen to demonstrate the SS safety feature is a weiner??? Not sure, but I wouldn't stick my weiner in it as a test. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, wtnhighlander said: I often wonder why the object always chosen to demonstrate the SS safety feature is a weiner??? Because brats are more expensive? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 20, 2019 Report Share Posted September 20, 2019 I think it was chosen for its symbolic value and the visceral reaction it causes in a large segment of the market. Either 'thank goodness THAT didn't get chopped off', or, 'Aghhh, I sure wouldn't want THAT to get chopped off'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted September 21, 2019 Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Chestnut said: Because brats are more expensive? Brats are what Felder uses for their testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted September 21, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted September 21, 2019 I was telling Alison at lunch today about the Felder PCS technology. She was enthralled. This evening I was showing her something I was working on in my shop and she commented that, yea, yea she knows I want a Felder saw now. I mentioned that the one saw that technology was available on is about $35,000. She asked me how many fingers I really need. Love. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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