weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 My daughter is getting married in a three months and she has asked me to make 24 farm tables for the reception. I don't have much time so I have to make sure every thing I do counts and no mistakes. The tops will be made out of #2 pine, from a real lumber yard not a box store so they are flat. I am using 1x12 and ripping it down to 5" pieces to reduce cupping. After the top boards are glues together I will be adding additional 1x to the edge to give the appearance of a 1 1/2" thick top, all matching the grain direction of the top. I am not bread-boarding the top. My question is, I am buying 56 - 1x12's this Saturday, to prevent cupping is it betting to rip these to 5" right away or leave at 12 until I'm ready to start on the next table? My shop is only big enough to build 2-3 at a time. Along with this, can I completely assemble all 24 of the tables and then stain & poly them all at the same time? This means some table may be unfinished for 1-2 months. They will be stored indoors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyoak Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, weh729 said: he tops will be made out of #2 pine, from a real lumber yard not a box store so they are flat. Hi welcome. No, #2 pine is not flat. A few good boards are. 3 minutes ago, weh729 said: I am using 1x12 and ripping it down to 5" pieces to reduce cupping That is a good idea. Usually waste the center of the board. If I am reading it right, don't edge the top with end grain pieces. Not a good idea from an engineering point of view. 6 minutes ago, weh729 said: My question is, I am buying 56 - 1x12's this Saturday, to prevent cupping is it betting to rip these to 5" right away or leave at 12 until I'm ready to start on the next table? My shop is only big enough to build 2-3 at a time. Rip all. After the rip the glue edge may distort. A jointer is ideal. However a hand plane can do the work but you don't have enough time for that. Perhaps rip them all. Check the edge for a glue joint. If you have a lot of pieces that need edge work, your only choice due to time is to get those pieces to a jointer. After a table is built, if kept in dry conditions and room temperature it should be fine if you built it right for a very long time. If it gets in contact with people or animals it may need sanding. If there is space, build them all at once. It is best to completely build all the tables first. Then finishing. That is if all the work is done in one place. Because you do not want to turn on any power tools and have airborne saw dust. It will find the finish. Other than managing dust you can choose any combinations of building but efficiency lies in doing it all at once. If space allows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legenddc Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 That's going to take up a lot of room. You're going to have 3' of table tops stacked on top of each other, never mind all the legs. I hope you have a massive shop if you're going to finish them all at the same time inside. Best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Ragatz Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Admitted "wedding cynic" here - nothing against people getting married (I've done it myself, with good results) - just some of the things they do to celebrate the event. What's going to happen to these 24 tables after the wedding? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 Solid tables no gaps between boards? I'd either do 2x12s or plywood. Plywood is tricky because I'm assuming you want like a ~28" wide table and that doesn't fit real well with 48" wide sheets. Beings that it's just a wedding you could probably get away with 24" plus edge banding though. 1x12s are goign to be too flimsy and likely to cup or distort. I've worked with them in the past and they never seemed to stay flat. I don't think it matters 1 lick where you get them pine isn't dried low enough to prevent movement after purchase. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I forgot to mention that I am also installing a 3 1/2" apron 4" from the edge and in the center. The top will be held down with Rok table clips. 3 hours ago, curlyoak said: Hi welcome. No, #2 pine is not flat. A few good boards are. That is a good idea. Usually waste the center of the board. If I am reading it right, don't edge the top with end grain pieces. Not a good idea from an engineering point of view. Rip all. After the rip the glue edge may distort. A jointer is ideal. However a hand plane can do the work but you don't have enough time for that. Perhaps rip them all. Check the edge for a glue joint. If you have a lot of pieces that need edge work, your only choice due to time is to get those pieces to a jointer. After a table is built, if kept in dry conditions and room temperature it should be fine if you built it right for a very long time. If it gets in contact with people or animals it may need sanding. If there is space, build them all at once. It is best to completely build all the tables first. Then finishing. That is if all the work is done in one place. Because you do not want to turn on any power tools and have airborne saw dust. It will find the finish. Other than managing dust you can choose any combinations of building but efficiency lies in doing it all at once. If space allows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, Chestnut said: Solid tables no gaps between boards? I'd either do 2x12s or plywood. Plywood is tricky because I'm assuming you want like a ~28" wide table and that doesn't fit real well with 48" wide sheets. Beings that it's just a wedding you could probably get away with 24" plus edge banding though. 1x12s are goign to be too flimsy and likely to cup or distort. I've worked with them in the past and they never seemed to stay flat. I don't think it matters 1 lick where you get them pine isn't dried low enough to prevent movement after purchase. Just my opinion. No gaps. The problem with plywood is they don't look good as farm tables. Also the tables will 36" wide. I'm also installing 3 1/2" high aprons 4" in from the edges and bracing in the middle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, G Ragatz said: Admitted "wedding cynic" here - nothing against people getting married (I've done it myself, with good results) - just some of the things they do to celebrate the event. What's going to happen to these 24 tables after the wedding? For after the wedding we have a few option: sell them to the barn venue, sell them to the rental place the barn recommends ( this gives them tables that fit the venue), or or can store them indoors climate controlled so I may just rent them out myself. If I rent them out 5 times I pay for the reception and table materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 3 hours ago, legenddc said: That's going to take up a lot of room. You're going to have 3' of table tops stacked on top of each other, never mind all the legs. I hope you have a massive shop if you're going to finish them all at the same time inside. Best of luck! My shop is big enough to do 5 at a time. 36" x 96" tables Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 4 hours ago, curlyoak said: Hi welcome. No, #2 pine is not flat. A few good boards are. That is a good idea. Usually waste the center of the board. If I am reading it right, don't edge the top with end grain pieces. Not a good idea from an engineering point of view. Rip all. After the rip the glue edge may distort. A jointer is ideal. However a hand plane can do the work but you don't have enough time for that. Perhaps rip them all. Check the edge for a glue joint. If you have a lot of pieces that need edge work, your only choice due to time is to get those pieces to a jointer. After a table is built, if kept in dry conditions and room temperature it should be fine if you built it right for a very long time. If it gets in contact with people or animals it may need sanding. If there is space, build them all at once. It is best to completely build all the tables first. Then finishing. That is if all the work is done in one place. Because you do not want to turn on any power tools and have airborne saw dust. It will find the finish. Other than managing dust you can choose any combinations of building but efficiency lies in doing it all at once. If space allows... I've been using a 80 tooth blade and it rips them pretty clean. So far everything is coming true according to my squares. If I end up with slight gaps it's ok because it just goes with the farm table look. To save time I'm using pocket screws for the glue up, I don't have nearly enough clamps. My storage area is climate controlled and I can store almost 30 completed tables. I plan on move 5 at a time out of storage and into the shop for finishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 21, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 I also forgot to ask, what are your feelings on pre-stain conditioner? Again, this is pine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 21, 2019 Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 31 minutes ago, weh729 said: I also forgot to ask, what are your feelings on pre-stain conditioner? Again, this is pine. Works to minimize blotching makes color a bit lighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 hours ago, weh729 said: I also forgot to ask, what are your feelings on pre-stain conditioner? Again, this is pine. If your staining, do not expect good results, whether you use conditioner or not. Either way it's gonna be ugly. Best results would come from spraying layers of dye until it's as dark as you want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wtnhighlander Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 All due respect to @drzaius, but "ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. What he like, I like, or you like is irrelevant, since it is your daughter's wedding. She wants pine farm tables, she gets pine farm tables. As for construction, I think you are on track, but don't have much time. My only advice is to follow the plan you outlined, get busy, and maybe build an extra table or two, just in case. No matter the condition of the lumber, an order that large leaves lots of room for Murphy to wreak havoc. Maybe hire our resident speed demon, @Chestnut, then you can have them done by the weekend! PS: remember that 1x12 lumber dressed from the mill will be 11.25" wide. After rip & glue, 3 boards give you a 33 3/8 panel, not 36". 56 boards is only about 2/3 of what you'll need for 24 tables. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, wtnhighlander said: All due respect to @drzaius, but "ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. What he like, I like, or you like is irrelevant, since it is your daughter's wedding. She wants pine farm tables, she gets pine farm tables. As for construction, I think you are on track, but don't have much time. My only advice is to follow the plan you outlined, get busy, and maybe build an extra table or two, just in case. No matter the condition of the lumber, an order that large leaves lots of room for Murphy to wreak havoc. Maybe hire our resident speed demon, @Chestnut, then you can have them done by the weekend! PS: remember that 1x12 lumber dressed from the mill will be 11.25" wide. After rip & glue, 3 boards give you a 33 3/8 panel, not 36". 56 boards is only about 2/3 of what you'll need for 24 tables. Good catch, sorry I was a bit unclear on the 56. I am picking up a partial order this weekend. I will get more later. This is enough for 14 tables. They will be 7 boards at 5 1/8" leaves me just under 36". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I agree to rip now. After that, I’m overwhelmed! Daughters are wonderful from the time they are born until they get to child bearing age. Skip a few years until they have a ring on their finger, then they become wonderful again. Good luck OP! Wish you the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: All due respect to @drzaius, but "ugly" is in the eye of the beholder. What he like, I like, or you like is irrelevant, since it is your daughter's wedding. She wants pine farm tables, she gets pine farm tables. Of course your right. I tend to get a little overbearing & opinionated at times and I apologize for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pkinneb Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 All I have to say is you should get father of the year for this I love my daughters but there is no way...My youngest is getting married May 30th but its in Detroit so my efforts have pretty much been relegated to pen lifts...lift pen write check lift pen write check lift pen write check LOL 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 And I'm glad I don't have daughters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drzaius Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 After my eldest daughter got married they gave me a t-shirt that had this printed on the front: NATIONAL BANK OF DAD CLOSED 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, drzaius said: After my eldest daughter got married they gave me a t-shirt that had this printed on the front: NATIONAL BANK OF DAD CLOSED That bank is never closed..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drzaius Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Chestnut said: That bank is never closed..... That is a sad lesson that I have since learned. They've all moved out some time ago, but the bank still seams to periodically open. I know for sure that the National Repair Service of Dad is nowhere near to closed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin-IT Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I see a future facebook/marketplace listing the making ! ripping the piece...letting them acclimate for a few weeks (construction lumber is too wet...), then reassemble them. Mark them so, you can glue them back together. In most case, the join will be very hard to distinguis. getting married in a three months <- that will be February ? unless you are way south, it will be inside. Can you put the wood in a heated room + fan + dehumidifier for a week or 2 ? it will lower the MC, therefore the wood movement. My local wood supplier does not store soft lumber inside, but outside under a cover. Which mean, higher MC that it will be once inside. Some may cup or twist during the drying process, which is better than after the assembly ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wtnhighlander Posted November 23, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Lot's of advise regarding wood movement & moisture, but pine does not necessarily equal construction grade lumber. Is the material coming from a 'lumber yard' for construction material, or an actual lumder dealer that sells quality, kiln-dried stock? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weh729 Posted November 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 On 11/22/2019 at 7:38 PM, wtnhighlander said: Lot's of advise regarding wood movement & moisture, but pine does not necessarily equal construction grade lumber. Is the material coming from a 'lumber yard' for construction material, or an actual lumder dealer that sells quality, kiln-dried stock? Thank you for all of the advice. Saturday we got everything ripped, stacked and stickered. It's in a heated area. The lumber is not construction grade. The lumber yard owner told me he switched supplier recently because this product is 95% clear but 30% of the cost of clear and all S4S. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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