ryandetzel Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 I just read a blog post about the law that was passed in 2009 that all things to be used around children under the age of 14(toys,cribs, etc) must be certified lead free in order to sell yet I've never seen this posted anywhere on sites that sell these things. Do people just simply ignore this law? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Sort of. There are things that dont need to be certified and we are talking only lead certification under CPSIA 2008 safety is a whole other issue. For example if you sold wooden rubber band guns. If sold as unfinished the wood itself does not need to be certified for lead content under 300ppm. If you painted the rubber band guns only the paint would need to be certified. The paint is usually certified by the manufacturer (using a third party) eliminating the need for any certification by the guy that makes rubber band guns. Make sense? Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryandetzel Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Hmm, so if the stain/finish is certified then you don't have to send your item to get certified? The blog post made it sound like this was not the case but this makes more sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopPop Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 It is my understanding that if the product you are making is for use by a child 12 or under and it is made entirely of Wood or other specific natural materials no testing or certification is required. However, if the product has a finish coating testing and certification is required. In addition, if the product contains components that may contain phthalates, testing and certification is also required. I do not believe you can use component testing (testing by the paint mfg for example). The Hand Made Toy Alliance website www.handmadetoyalliance.com has as good an explanation as I can find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryandetzel Posted December 12, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 It is my understanding that if the product you are making is for use by a child 12 or under and it is made entirely of Wood or other specific natural materials no testing or certification is required. However, if the product has a finish coating testing and certification is required. In addition, if the product contains components that may contain phthalates, testing and certification is also required. I do not believe you can use component testing (testing by the paint mfg for example). The Hand Made Toy Alliance website www.handmadetoyalliance.com has as good an explanation as I can find. That's what I thought so unless you don't want to finish it you pretty much have to get it tested in order to sell it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beechwood Chip Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Watch out for treated woods - whether or not they are legal, I wouldn't want to use them for something a child will use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 An example direct from the commission. Component parts are being tested individually you do not have to test the full product. To test the entire finished product would insane especially since manufacturers may use the same components in many products. 2. A children’s coat, size 6x, is made of a variety of fabrics and a zipper. The fabric does not need to be tested for lead content because textiles are on the list of materials and products we have determined to not contain lead above the 100 ppm limit. The lead content of any plastic, metal, or painted parts of the zipper, however, would need to be tested to verify that they do not exceed the lead limits. A zipper may consist of several parts including the zipper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatworks Today Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I contacted The Hand Made Toy Alliance and asked about requirements for toys that are all wood and finished with natural coatings (mineral oil, bees wax, shellac, etc). When / If I hear back I'll post their answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 I just asked my wife to contact the commission directly since they are the legal authority. Their council made it pretty clear that component testing will be cleared up by the time testing takes affect. Sounds as if its probably going to be put off for another year. As of right now its the end of this year and the bugs still are not worked out. As of right now its written to allow component testing or very un clearly allow component testing. Right now any information that does not come directly from the commission is just hearsay and half of that that comes from the commission itself is hearsay until the final documents have been approved. I doubt it will be finalized by the end of this month. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopPop Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Note that even if no finish is applied to the toy, metal parts (screws, nuts, bolts, etc.) as well as glue would have to be tested if they will allow component testing. As far as I can tell, it is not clear that they will allow component testing. So if you turned a wooden top from one piece of wood you would be good to go if you didn't put a finish on it. If you glued up the wood, testing may be required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 12, 2011 Report Share Posted December 12, 2011 Note that even if no finish is applied to the toy, metal parts (screws, nuts, bolts, etc.) as well as glue would have to be tested if they will allow component testing. As far as I can tell, it is not clear that they will allow component testing. So if you turned a wooden top from one piece of wood you would be good to go if you didn't put a finish on it. If you glued up the wood, testing may be required. Sort of but not always the case. Its all about accessibility. Here is another quote from the commission. 1. A book made with a cardboard cover glued to pages made with paper and printed with CMYK process printing inks does not need to be tested for lead content and no certificate is required by the Commission. The paper, cardboard, and CMYK ink are all on the list of materials and products that we have determined not to contain lead above the 100 ppm limit, and the glue used for binding is inaccessible. If, however, the book was bound with metal spiral binding rather than inaccessible glue, the metal spiral bindings would need to be third party tested for compliance with the 300 ppm lead content limit, and the product would need to be certified. If the metal spiral binding was painted, in addition to testing the metal spiral binding for lead content, the paint also would need to be tested to assure that it complies with the 90 ppm lead in paint limit and certified as complying with that standard as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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