rodger. Posted February 10, 2012 Report Share Posted February 10, 2012 What is your opinion of pre-stain? Worth the money or a waste? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfitz Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pug, do you mean pre-stain wood conditioner? Many woods blotch terribly when stained. A good conditioner, applied properly, helps even out the color absorption. This should be worth the money IMO. Take a look a Marc's video episode 73 http://thewoodwhisperer.com/73-coloring-blotchy-woods 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim_WoodWarden Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Yes use a pre-stain wood conditioner on woods prone to blotching. Best use one known to do a wonderful job like Charles Neil's Blotch control. You pretty much have to order it online from him directly and get it shipped. I just ordered some to use on sanded pine plywood. Here's a review of the blotch control at lumberjock's website http://lumberjocks.com/reviews/1430. I was really impressed with how this stuff worked for this reviewer on poplar that had a lot of green heartwood and whiter sap wood and after using the blotch control and then dye on the wood got poplar to stain and look like cherry. Marc swears by the stuff and raves about it in a number of places on the Woodwhisperer site and WTO forums. Here's a thread on the WTO forums to read: http://woodtalkonline.com/topic/3023-using-charles-neals-blotch-control/ Go here to order it and watch Charles Neil's video (watch the video some of the most impressive results are towards the end of the video) http://www.cn-woodworking.com/blotch-control-cn-pre-color-co/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Thinned down vinyl seal will do the same thing. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semmons23 Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 I posted a review of Charles' product too. Great stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfitz Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Thinned down vinyl seal will do the same thing. Don Don - how well does it take stain after being hit with thinned vinyl seal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceHoleInOne Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Is it a waste of money? It depends, if your not into to making your own. Then go buy some. Thined dewaxed shellac, thinned water-based top coats make excellent wash coats (pre-stains) I add equal parts water to a water- based topcoat for my blotch control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted February 11, 2012 Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Don - how well does it take stain after being hit with thinned vinyl seal? As well as the others. The vinyl sealer is a KCMA standard under precat lacquer none of the other qualify. The stuff in the vid above is pva. One of the oldest tricks in the book Is to mix it directly with universal dyes. It's very easy to make poplar look like cherry to the consumer. Shops even today still do it to rip off consumers. Don Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger. Posted February 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2012 Pug, do you mean pre-stain wood conditioner? Many woods blotch terribly when stained. A good conditioner, applied properly, helps even out the color absorption. This should be worth the money IMO. Take a look a Marc's video episode 73 http://thewoodwhispe...g-blotchy-woods Yes, I was referring to the wood conditioners available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtrust Posted February 26, 2012 Report Share Posted February 26, 2012 I've used Charles Neil's blotch control with excellent results. It's a bit pricey, but it certainly works well. Just tonight I tried "Cabot Pre-Stain Wood Conditioner". It worked wonderfully on a pine wastebasket holder I was working on. Maybe not *quite* as well as Charles' product, but it's much less expensive and there is zero wait time before staining. You wipe it on and immediately apply the stain. Tried side by side on the same piece of wood with and without using the Cabot stuff the difference was striking. There was no blotching at all on the conditioned side. I can't say how it would do with the sapwood kind of problem, but it would be worth a try for someone. I would try it myself but I don't currently have any wood like that to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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