..Kev Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Thanks Kev. I was trying to be friendly but overstepped some pretty obvious boundaries. I wasn't thinking clearly and I mostly feel bad that I involved Ken. That was doubly wrong. So anyway...like woodworking,I learned something and I'll not make that blunder again. Everyone makes mistakes bud! Don't let it bother you too much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Thanks again. If all this sounds super cryptic and you weren't playing along at the time... This morning I proposed sending off some copyrighted material. It amounts to piracy and is not only illegal but is way out of line when it comes to WTO. I humbly submit my apologies to all of you, even if you weren't aware it happened. I don't mean to crap in your nest. I appreciate the warm welcome I have been given by this community. BTW, there is no reason to reply to this and hijack the thread. If you have questions, PM me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 I've done the same thing in the past on this very forum without even thinking about it. And FWIW...the points reset after a month. Just don't rack up two more in the next thirty days and you're good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 25, 2014 Report Share Posted December 25, 2014 Hey Dave, hijack away, it's your thread! Don't be concerned about me, I wasn't even thinking either and I usually don't pay attention to the speed limit anyway, but will here from now on. Wonder if we're the first to get warnings. Probably a subject for another thread? Now, back to the Hall Table! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Right you are Ken! I have been working out an actual plan with measurements for the side rails and I've kind of been wracking my brain. The back of envelope drawing I've been working with isn't highly detailed. I just couldn't figure out the shape and I don't see how screwing the top in through the rails is going to allow for much seasonal movement. I guess after I counter-bore and drill from the bottom I can go in from the top and wiggle the drill back and forth. That'll have to do. My wife said; "Maybe you should put on your sawdust-filled Carharts...Those clothes you're wearing don't have good woodworking juju." http:// So, that done, I'm watching the Tim Rousseau videos of the hall table with floating top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Figure 8s look like they'd work instead of those screws thru your apron.. Unless I'm missing something in your drawing of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Thanks! You're right...that would work fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Tell her you don't need those Carharts when you have Sam Adams! But she is looking out for ya. Cool lady! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 26, 2014 Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Oh, ". A Christmas Story" is on (surprise?), excuse me for a while! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2014 Hours 10.5 to 15; I cut some rails, mortises and tenons, and I dry-fit the thing: http:// It still needs some tweaking to get the joints tight, but I'm almost to the curves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Nice progress ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Looking good Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Dave, have you posted your plans for the top? What I see so far is just begging for a middle to far eastern look, something with upswept corners, maybe. This design is really getting my attention, can't wait to see the final product! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Dave, have you posted your plans for the top? What I see so far is just begging for a middle to far eastern look, something with upswept corners, maybe. This design is really getting my attention, can't wait to see the final product! Ross (I think it is, please forgive me if I have it wrong), that's a good question, I haven't put up anything on the top yet. I paid this: http:// For this: http:// BTW: that's 1$ cheaper than it was the last time I got a quote. They are currently 13/16th" so It's going to be a slim top. It's surfaced two sides, but their blades were not sharp so I have some tear-out to deal with. I will be lucky to end up with 3/4" and it's more realistic to think that I will end up with 5/8", but I'm shooting for 3/4". I may go back and buy some more stock with sap wood to make a pleasing match. That;s something I want.Bu t I won't get anything thicker unless I special order it. I was thinking I would put a slight "shallow" bevel on the underside of the top, but I'm open to anything. After all, it's a design-on-the-go project, so it can go anywhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 That's still high for my area but, in the end, it sounds like you're happy with it so that's all that counts. Some beautiful boards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 At 9 $ a BF nobody is ever super-duper "happy" but, yeah, I'm good with it... The prices are what they are(for here), and I can choose to pay the "market price" or not... I can certainly see why people charge what they do for custom stuff around here. I want to get a lot of sap wood into the top to pull it in with the color of the Alder base. I haven't completely decided on "light stripe down the middle" or "dark in the middle and stripe along the edges" but I'm leaning towards the second choice. That will work itself out (I hope) during the "what am I going to do stage". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Mmmm, yep $9 / bf is a bit pricey for my locale. I was going to suggest a mail-order place like Bell Forest or Hardwood to Go, but shipping would probably make it a wash anyway. Sometimes it amazes me that retailers markup more for a domestic that comes from a few hundred miles away, than for many exotics from a totally different continent. I like the sapwood streaking, it should make for a lot of interest in your table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I would request a better price on walnut with heavier sapwood . The top dollar stuff should be mainly heartwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 They don't grade sapwood as a defect as far as I know...so the dealer is assumably paying full price for it. Doesn't hurt to ask, but I wouldn't hold my breath. These days walnut is gold, and the price kind of comes with a "take it or leave it" attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Depends on the size and grade of the board. 1/6th to 1/4 of the face is allowed for sapwood in some sizes and grades. Better width and grade boards may have sapwood on the back but should be heartwood on the face. NHLA standards for walnut go on for several paragraphs. I think the rules for cherry are similar but also deal with sap pockets as well as light sapwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 As you purchase more material from them, you'll probably get a better price as well. After some time getting to know the staff and establishing yourself, you'll start getting the "contractor" price which helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 Better width and grade boards may have sapwood on the back but should be heartwood on the face. The other face of those boards have much less sapwood. I picked through the small stack that they have on hand and intentionally selected the two that had the most sapwood. Much of what was there is bowed or twisted. It's probably the rejected leftovers from a large order that was made in the past. There is still a couple of nice boards in there, or parts of boards, but it would be nice if someone ordered in another bundle. As you purchase more material from them, you'll probably get a better price as well. After some time getting to know the staff and establishing yourself, you'll start getting the "contractor" price which helps. Yes, they sometimes give me 10% off. I think contractors get 15%. I'm not sure but it may be triggered by me spending more than $200. There are something like a half dozen guys who work the lumber desk and they are starting to get to know me. I make sure I don't mess up their lumber piles, and I lay my boards out so they can easily throw a tape measure on them, so they know I'm a "regular". While the price seems prohibitive to someone in a larger city, my biggest problem is the small selection. I'm in a resort town with a population of 10K people (a boom town with lots of trophy houses) so everything is more expensive. But the thing that gets to you is that nothing much is available (in stock). I have to drive 70 miles over two mountain passes just to go to a Lowes or Home Depot. I'm a big fan of mail order, but I prefer to get a look at my lumber if possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted December 27, 2014 Report Share Posted December 27, 2014 I can understand your position now. Resort town buyers are either well to do hobbiests or pros working for well to do clients. Plus convience is a factor when you are facing long drives. Your boards were probably graded based on the other face. Flat, straight and appealing to you is the most important. I think your sapwood out plan might look very good with the alder. Eager to see your curves and top progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Jimerfield Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Can't wait to see the top. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davewyo Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Hour 16 was spent yesterday carefully marking out the curves. Hour 17; This morning I cut the curves on the bandsaw. http:// http:// http:// http:// I have plenty of rasping and sanding to do in my near future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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