Marmotjr Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 On 6/13/2017 at 2:31 PM, Tom Cancelleri said: He actually said BORG. BORG garbage being stamped squares from home depot or lowes. Although I have an Empire TriSquare that's dead accurate and I trust for a lot of what I do. I've since added a bunch of WP squares to replace it, mainly due to that lip that keeps the square flat on the workpiece. I have a BORA square and it seems ok, I don't like the plastic on it though. I picked up a couple Empire things from a BORG a while back, and after measuring them against my machinist squares, I can say they easily fall within tolerance. As in, they're pretty damn square. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim DaddyO Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 I have a bunch of different ones. Some old ones, some I made, an Empire one (available at Princess Auto in Canada BTW) and I also have a nice set of Mitutoyu squares. I find them all within reasonable tolerance for wood working. The wood will move more than the precision of any of them. The only reason I got the Mitutoyu set was that I found it at a yard sale for $30 from a machinist who was closing up his home shop (and he threw in a small Starrett square with it). Fantastic piece of gear, on par with Starrett, more than I need, but I treasure it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 1 hour ago, Marmotjr said: I picked up a couple Empire things from a BORG a while back, and after measuring them against my machinist squares, I can say they easily fall within tolerance. As in, they're pretty damn square. You should play the lottery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted June 18, 2017 Report Share Posted June 18, 2017 I have two or three Empire squares that when I bought them, were square based on the opposing parallel line test. This is just a theory as I haven't tested them after using them for a while, but I think the light weight aluminum or whatever other cheap crap they use to make them will wear down and knock it out of tolerance. I believe the slot that the blade runs in has a couple of nubs at the bottom that the blade references off of. If those nubs are made out of aluminum or plastic or whatever, eventually the blade will likely wear on one more than the other and boom...not square. My Epstein PECs will be my new primary combo squares. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Steve Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 About two months ago based on comments here, I ordered some squares from Epstein. The 4" double square and the 4" machinist square were pretty good. The 6" double square however wasn't square. Fortunately it was simply because there was some excess metal in the channel and so a bit of work with a fine file and I was able to get it square. Just something to watch for... test your square and make adjustments as necessary. Other than that, I really like how easily they work... smooth and easy to read. I need to order a 12" but at the time they didn't have the 4R in stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted June 20, 2017 Report Share Posted June 20, 2017 My epstein package just got to me ... I will be using them on my current build. everything was solid and sqaure for me 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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