Tpt life Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 https://www.namm.org/issues-and-advocacy/regulatory-compliance/cites-update-commercial-rosewood-and-bubinga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben_r_ Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Unless I'm misunderstanding it, it looks like its only certain types of Bubinga and that it actually started in the beginning of 2017. So this should be old news by now right? If you're still seeing Bubinga in your local shops it might not be one of the species noted here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Doesn't mean goodbye, just means rising prices...as usual. Lots of species that are still available are on the CITES II list, including cocobolo and honduran mahogany. CITES I is when the shit hits the fan. Think Brazilian Rosewood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted August 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 I am seeing traffic that Canadian tool manufacturers are having products withheld and the Quansheng Woodriver are being stopped at the border. No personal experience myself. Made me dig and I found this. I think we may be in a baby-bath water moment just now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phinds Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 1 hour ago, C Shaffer said: https://www.namm.org/issues-and-advocacy/regulatory-compliance/cites-update-commercial-rosewood-and-bubinga They list two of the most prominent species and one other, but there are several others. My list shows Guibourtia arnoldiana Guibourtia coleosperma Guibourtia demeusei (one of the common ones they list) Guibourtia ehie Guibourtia liberiensis Guibourtia pellegriniana Guibourtia salikounda Guibourtia tessmannii (one of the common ones they list) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted August 31, 2017 Report Share Posted August 31, 2017 Good I hate Bulbinga. Leave the trees in Africa so elephants can use them to scratch their backs. Aj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phinds Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 On 8/30/2017 at 11:31 PM, Unknown craftsman said: Good I hate Bulbinga Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 5 hours ago, phinds said: Why? I'm highly allergic to Bulbinga. I suffered dearly to make this step stool. It took several months for the sore's to go away and ever since then I'm very sensitive to rosewoods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 But bubinga is not a rosewood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phinds Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, Eric. said: But bubinga is not a rosewood. Exactly. I can't see why bubinga would sensitize you to rosewoods, but if it did, it did. Bummer. Huh. I checked and bubinga is not even on the list of toxic woods I use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted September 1, 2017 Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 I glanced at the article but didn't re-read...isn't this old news from January? I didn't re-read all of it, but at a glance it looks like the same info mentioned on a few podcasts earlier in the year. Did something new happen this week? I did watch bubinga prices locally, they have crept up a couple bucks (~$13 --> $15 /bdft). Still available though. Below is a good video from earlier this year courtesy of the guy at wood-database.com, a little long but I enjoyed all the info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2017 1 hour ago, JosephThomas said: I glanced at the article but didn't re-read...isn't this old news from January? I didn't re-read all of it, but at a glance it looks like the same info mentioned on a few podcasts earlier in the year. Did something new happen this week? I did watch bubinga prices locally, they have crept up a couple bucks (~$13 --> $15 /bdft). Still available though. Below is a good video from earlier this year courtesy of the guy at wood-database.com, a little long but I enjoyed all the info No clue. I have little interest in podcasts. I don't really care who posted first anyway. Now we are beginning to see how border agencies are treating the products. That makes it relevant to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Maybe it's not a true rose wood but I've heard it called African rosewood so I just follow along and go with the flow. Just like when we call cypress cedar.When neither is really a true Cedar Ive also become very sensitive to walnut so I blame Bulbinga on that too. Aj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 38 minutes ago, Unknown craftsman said: Ive also become very sensitive to walnut so I blame Bulbinga on that too. Sounds like you are getting close to needing a different hobby. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 59 minutes ago, Chet said: Sounds like you are getting close to needing a different hobby. So true if I have to I'll take up knife making. I could make a knife out if exotic steels then cut my wrists because I can't woodwork anymore. Aj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 You could always wear a respirator like we should all be doing in the first place... I know when I sand mahogany I get pretty bothered by it. So I wear a respirator. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bankstick Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 I use a dust mask with the relief valve. My daughter got me a respirator a few years ago but I can't wear it. If I wear it, my glasses aren't in the right place and I get headaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phinds Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 15 hours ago, Unknown craftsman said: Maybe it's not a true rose wood but I've heard it called African rosewood I don't think wood vendor marketing terms are relevant here. They call damn near EVERYTHING rosewood (except for the things that they call mahogany). My favorite is when the flooring industry calls kurugay "Patagonian cherry" although calling bubinga "African rosewood" is a close second. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 Exactly. Bubinga is as much a rosewood as sapele is a mahogany. It's pure marketing BS to fool the public into thinking it's more special than it is. That doesn't mean that bubinga and sapele aren't beautiful and awesome...I love them both. But bubinga ain't no rosewood and sapele ain't no mahogany. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted September 2, 2017 Report Share Posted September 2, 2017 @Unknown Craftsman, are your sensitve to inhaled dust only, or is there a skin sensitivity as well? If you have a skin reaction, its going to be difficult to control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted September 3, 2017 Report Share Posted September 3, 2017 5 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: @Unknown Craftsman, are your sensitve to inhaled dust only, or is there a skin sensitivity as well? If you have a skin reaction, its going to be difficult to control. I'm very sensitive to dust on my skin,I very rarely hand sand anything but it still gets me. I have a good dust collection on my machines a very large cyclone I also use fans and resperator when I need to. Im happy working with domestic wood.Maple, Cherry, Alder, oak all good for me. Anyone heard from Shaney Mack did he ever finish his low back Bulbinga chairs.I wonder what he thinks about Bulbinga now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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