pghmyn Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 My OCD usually has alot to do with my tool buying decision making. I will say that I fell in love with the low angle jack from Lie-Nielsen. So much so that I wanted to try the smoother, and the jointer. I could not be happier with my choices. Now I have to wait for Lie-Nielsen to make more low angle planes. I have been eyeing up the jack rabbet plane, just so my OCD can rest knowing that I have all they have to offer. Go low or go home. That should be your motto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Go low or go home. That should be your motto. I am also a bassist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Now I have to wait for Lie-Nielsen to make more low angle planes. I have been eyeing up the jack rabbet plane, just so my OCD can rest knowing that I have all they have to offer. Be cool for you is they came out with small smoother similar in size to the LV SBUS. I generally prefer BD planes, but I LOVE the SBUS. I've tried the LN Low Angle Jack Rabbet at a show. It's a nice plane...serves the role of a big rabbet plane, but is relatively light and controllable. They nailed the proportions on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I've tried the LN Low Angle Jack Rabbet at a show. It's a nice plane...serves the role of a big rabbet plane, but is relatively light and controllable. They nailed the proportions on it. They know I need it too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Mel I'm think I'm going to buy you a Bevel down plane from Clifton or Lee Valley just to drive you crazy. I mean who can say know to a free premium tool..but having it in your shop will make you go bonkers! Mwhahahahahahahahahahah! (sorry, I don't know why I like giving you grief...it's all love though) ...Oh, and just to stay on topic...I'll take a bailey style No. 4 (new, old, LN, LV, Clifton, WR, don't care) as a main smoother over anything any day of the week. I like having other things to smooth with too, but I think the Baily style 4 is just perfect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chris, I do have a few Stanley planes that are BD. In fact, my #5 is a darn workhorse. I have it set up with a cambered blade, and it just eats up wood! I don't really like the feel of it, but man does it make short work out of most anything I put in its way! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Veritas makes one that LN doesn't make...small BU smoother. They also make a LA jack rabbet... Want me to test drive those babies for you tomorrow, or are you truly LN psycho? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I have the Veritas small BU smoother. It is the only smoother I've used that I like as much as Bailey style 4. As I like to say. It's a number 3 (I love 3s) but without the bloody knuckles. Its one of the best tools LV has designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chris, I do have a few Stanley planes that are BD. In fact, my #5 is a darn workhorse. I have it set up with a cambered blade, and it just eats up wood! I don't really like the feel of it, but man does it make short work out of most anything I put in its way! They have quite different feels, and one tends to get used to one or the other. If I'm using my LA jack a lot it feels wierd when I pick up a BD plane...and when I first pickup my LA jack after using BD planes a lot if feels odd. BU & BD planes have a completely different feel and distribution of weight, especially the larger ones. The small BU smoother feels less different than a BD plane then other BU planes I guess because of its weight. I think that's part of why Iike it so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G S Haydon Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chris, just to hijack the fun. Have you reshaped your cap iron on your woodriver? Not sure if you have a LN cap iron in your line up as well, they all come to a point which as Derek puts is they don't create a "type two" shaving. I was going to change it to more of a Stanley shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Ill be checking out all the veritas goodies when i go to the woodworking show in a couple of weeks. I forsee money being spent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Veritas makes one that LN doesn't make...small BU smoother. They also make a LA jack rabbet... Want me to test drive those babies for you tomorrow, or are you truly LN psycho? I think we both know the answer to that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just curious...do you like the LN joinery planes better than Veritas, too? I personally prefer the Veritas. Mostly aesthetic. I've never had my hands on a LN shoulder plane...but man they look like they'd be awkward to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Eric, ive used both companies, which guided my decisions for the veritas joinery tools. I prefer the angled handles on the router plane, more ergonomic. Plus blade comes off the post for simple sharpening. The veritas shoulder plane is way more comfortable and looks dead sexy. Its all feel though, if mel picked up the veritas they may feel awkward to him seeing that he has used the ln for so long now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilburpan Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Veritas makes one that LN doesn't make...small BU smoother. How about this? http://www.lie-nielsen.com/low-angle-bench-planes/low-angle-smoothing-plane/ The Lie-Nielsen version is 9-1/2” long, as opposed to the 9” long Veritas. But otherwise, they look like functionally the same plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 I didn't look at the specs...I guess they're pretty close, aren't they? They threw me off calling it "small." The Veritas smoother is a pound lighter than the LN, though...that's fairly significant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 A pound in comparable models makes a noticeable difference to the end user. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just curious...do you like the LN joinery planes better than Veritas, too? I personally prefer the Veritas. Mostly aesthetic. I've never had my hands on a LN shoulder plane...but man they look like they'd be awkward to use. I've held both. I honestly didn't really care for the Veritas shoulder plane. Yeah, I know a guy can get banned for saying such things... To me, short of buying the Bridge City version of the shoulder plane, I think the LN is where it's at. Yeah, I'm brand loyal... blah blah... I have the apron to prove it. But, really it's not one of those things I really think about. It does what I need it to do, and it does them very well. Now, one thing I want from Veritas is that Skew Rabbet plane. That thing looks awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 And you also want the veritas small plow plane. If you dont then you get banned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 And you also want the veritas small plow plane. If you dont then you get banned Nah, I have a #45 for my plowing needs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Then you also dont need the new lie nielsen one when it comes out, just remember that, you said it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChetlovesMer Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Eric, as usual I agree with you. The LV medium shoulder plane should be standard issue for any woodworker. I have a number of buddies who are LN loyalists who have the LN medium shoulder plane. All but one staunch LN guy admits that my LV is more "natural" to use. The rest are just to married to LN to get an LV, even if they admit that they find the LV more natural, comfortable and just plain (or plane) easier. BTW - Milkshakes are food. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted February 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Then you also dont need the new lie nielsen one when it comes out, just remember that, you said it We both know I still want the LN version. As I stated before, if LN made a #45 I would be in trouble! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 The LN large shoulder plane is based on the Record 073, and a fairly close copy. I'm still using the 073 that I bought new when it was available before LN started making them. It works fine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisG Posted February 7, 2014 Report Share Posted February 7, 2014 Chris, just to hijack the fun. Have you reshaped your cap iron on your woodriver? Not sure if you have a LN cap iron in your line up as well, they all come to a point which as Derek puts is they don't create a "type two" shaving. I was going to change it to more of a Stanley shape. Yes. I added a secondary bevel of around 50 degrees. As they come, the modern cap irons are they are too low to adequately prevent tear-out, and becasue they are not hardened steel they will crumble and chip if you don't add that secondary bevel. It you are going to use your cap irons close to the edge to prevent tearout the secondary bevel is a must. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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