Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I know this technically fits the forum but to me doesn't really fit within the spirit of it so here we are in of topic. Over the weekend I built a patio cover over the back porch with construction lumber from a good building yard. A lot of the pieces, specifically 2x4 and 4x4 didn't seem KD to me and on a chilly morning feel a bit damp. We will be painting the whole cover with white paint to match the fasia on the house. First, is there any wisdom in waiting for a few days of hot weather to dry the wood before painting? Secondly, does anyone have a recommendation for an outdoor quality paint? I have just about everything paint store locally but it can only be WB. No oil in CA any more. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgreenb Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Are you going to be trimming it at all? Or just painting the construction lumber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 All that is left before painting is to cut the 2x6's to length on the roof and paint. Shingles should go on this weekend. Electrical, lights, fan all coming after. I have no plans to add decorative trim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondhockey Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I love covered decks/patios! It looks to me like you'll eventually be installing a mister, so I'd consider that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Great idea I hadn't thought of. And btw, the grass isn't always dead. We took the winter off from watering. There is some nutrient work we are deficient so up on the list is also rototill the whole thing with nutrients and fertilizer then fresh sod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgreenb Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I exclusively use benjamin moore regal select exterior: https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/interior-exterior-paints-stains/product-catalog/rsep/regal-select-exterior-paint Holds up very well to new england winters, so my guess is it would be bulletproof in LA. I would definitely let that construction lumber dry out a bit. And you'll definitely want a primer coat or two. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat60 Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 What will you be using for roofing and did you need to get a permit for the build? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 10 minutes ago, bgreenb said: I exclusively use benjamin moore regal select exterior: https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/interior-exterior-paints-stains/product-catalog/rsep/regal-select-exterior-paint Holds up very well to new england winters, so my guess is it would be bulletproof in LA. I would definitely let that construction lumber dry out a bit. And you'll definitely want a primer coat or two. Thanks B. I'll check it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgreenb Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Benjamin Moore tech support line is outstanding if you have any questions about their products and/or what to use for your particular application (which primer, how many coats, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, mat60 said: What will you be using for roofing and did you need to get a permit for the build? The roofing will be shingles over paper. I know it's a low pitch but it's mostly decorative. It rains a few times a year here. I could probably staple a clear tarp up there and it never leak. If I needed a permit, I didn't check because I really didn't care. There was one there as of last December. I just re built it, bigger.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I might consider a deck stain instead of paint. You can get them in all kinds of colors, and they are less likely to peel over time. Ben Moore's line is good. It is called Arborcoat. Personally I'd wait a month before applying any finish. Construction lumber is KD to the 20% range. Let it shed some moisture and the paint or stain will adhere better and won't be impacted by . I own a moisture meter, so I would take moisture reading and then paint it when it stabilizes. If you don't have a meter, just wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Brendon_t said: If I needed a permit, I didn't check because I really didn't care. In Northern California, as in San Jose, If you lag bolt it to the house it is considered temporary and no permit required, but if you nail it to the house it is consider Permanent and therefore needs a permit... Just a point of interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgreenb Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 35 minutes ago, Mike. said: I might consider a deck stain instead of paint. You can get them in all kinds of colors, and they are less likely to peel over time. Ben Moore's line is good. It is called Arborcoat. Mike have you used arborcoat? It's the one benjamin moore product I've used that has failed me. I absolutely hate it. Peeled and flaked off on me after one winter (twice). Stopped using it and have used Sikkens for exterior stains ever since, and I've been very happy with its performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 24 minutes ago, Chet K said: In Northern California, as in San Jose, If you lag bolt it to the house it is considered temporary and no permit required, but if you nail it to the house it is consider Permanent and therefore needs a permit... Just a point of interest. Good to know. I am lagged into the house with something like 14 6" lags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, bgreenb said: Mike have you used arborcoat? It's the one benjamin moore product I've used that has failed me. I absolutely hate it. Peeled and flaked off on me after one winter (twice). Stopped using it and have used Sikkens for exterior stains ever since, and I've been very happy with its performance. I did, but it was 10 years ago. It help up well on western red cedar stair treads for the 3 years I was at that house. But maybe the formulation changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 I wouldn't paint anything until you know it's dry. I'm surprised you don't have a moisture meter. The Sikkens I'm familiar with is probably against the law there. Otherwise, it's always my first choice for something that's not going to get paint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 One of the many reasons I don't miss the people's republic of California. Private property means nothing there. Of course Oklahoma is an arm pit for weather compared to California. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 27 minutes ago, Tom King said: I wouldn't paint anything until you know it's dry. I'm surprised you don't have a moisture meter. The Sikkens I'm familiar with is probably against the law there. Otherwise, it's always my first choice for something that's not going to get paint. I do and never claimed otherwise. I haven't considered using it as I have no reference for a baseline. I Couldn't tell you what MC this lumber should be before paint will adhere. Is there a guideline for that? If you can't tell, I don't do this type of work often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: I do and never claimed otherwise. I haven't considered using it as I have no reference for a baseline. I Couldn't tell you what MC this lumber should be before paint will adhere. Is there a guideline for that? If you can't tell, I don't do this type of work often. Assuming 70F and 60% RH (typical LA area conditions) you want your lumber to be at 12% EMC. If it is much higher than that, it will continue to shrink until it hits 12%. If you paint the wood and it shrinks, the paint will crack and peel. It is not just adherance, it is also movement that you need to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted June 1, 2017 Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 12% is considered dry here. That's pretty typical for wood that's stored under sheds here. I expect it's drier on average there than here. I concur with what Mike said. I wouldn't put anything on it until it hits 12 or below. I wouldn't think it would take long, unless it's completely green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2017 Good info. Thanks guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan G Posted June 6, 2017 Report Share Posted June 6, 2017 I will second the rec on the Ben Moore Exterior paint. I have used both regal select and the Aura. While both are expensive I have never had any issues. Would recommend them with out reservation. In regards to lumber dry enough to paint..... If it was wet enough for you to feel the moisture I think it is going to take more than a few days to fully dry out. Might be a month or more. Also, if you are just planning on painting the SPF from the lumber yard you will need to prime first with a good oil based primer. I like zinsser cover stain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted June 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 3 hours ago, Alan G said: Oil based primer. Must have missed the California part. We can't even have oil paintings anymore.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 31 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: We can't even have oil paintings anymore. I feel for you buddy. I don't necessarily miss oil base paints, but at least here in Northern California I can get oil base finishes for shop projects. Got a legal can of ARS in the shop right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan G Posted June 7, 2017 Report Share Posted June 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: Must have missed the California part. We can't even have oil paintings anymore.. Sorry. Did read the CA part but for got about the Voc stuff. Im sure some compliant primer is made that zinsser would say is comparable to cover Stain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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