Nick2cd Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I went to get a spray can of deft lacquer and the guy at lowes tells me they will no longer be carrying it. Now i cant find the stuff anywhere. This sucks! It was great for small projects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfitz Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I wonder if that's a local store decision or an across-the-board decision. It still shows as 'in stock' at my local Lowes. Do you have a True Value or Aubuchon Hardware nearby? Or some other small hardware store? A lot of times places like that can order items if they don't have them on hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick2cd Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 The guy at the store said it was a store wide decision. I've been checking my local hardware stores. No luck yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Check the Deft web site to see if there is someone else close to you that sells it. Or if there's someplace you can order it from. I haven't had any issues finding it at several locations locally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfitz Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 It shows as available on Amazon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick2cd Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think deft has updated their website. Yes it's available on amazon but its $13/can on there with shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 I don't think deft has updated their website. Yes it's available on amazon but its $13/can on there with shipping. Yes, but at least you can still get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick2cd Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Yes, but at least you can still get it. You're absolutely right! Glass half full Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CessnaPilotBarry Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 If you need spray can lacquer, the Minwax product, sold pretty much everywhere, is as good as any other rattle can lacquer I've used, including Deft and Behlen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick2cd Posted December 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 If you need spray can lacquer, the Minwax product, sold pretty much everywhere, is as good as any other rattle can lacquer I've used, including Deft and Behlen. Thanks Barry! If I can't find deft, I'll go with the minwax on your recommendation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 depending what part of country you're in you might want to try Menards as they carry Watco rattle cans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwalter5110 Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Yea, I went to get a can of brushing lacquer from Lowe's and they had a few cans on a clearance shelf because they are discontinueing them in the store. I ended up buying the remaining cans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Deft was purchased a couple of months ago. Their new parent distributes primarily to paint supply stores not the Big Box outlets. My local paint emporium has no problems getting Deft (he has to order it in from his distributor). I got 8gals of Deft last week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 Deft was purchased a couple of months ago. Their new parent distributes primarily to paint supply stores not the Big Box outlets. My local paint emporium has no problems getting Deft (he has to order it in from his distributor). I got 8gals of Deft last week. I doubt the PPG acquisition had anything to do with Lowes pulling the Nitro. The Nitro has a relatively low shelf life and Lowes buys in larger quantities. Nitro is not very a popular happy homeowner product. The Deft line is very limited and it would make much more sense to stock any other brand that they already stock complimentary products like Cabot or Valspar. PPG is all about the commercial stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ==> Lowes pulling the Nitro Not just Lowes --- you'd be hard pressed to find Deft at any of the BORGs... The PPG acquisition was the explanation I received... ==> Nitro has a relatively low shelf life Doesn't Deft have an almost infinite shelf life? I've been told that numerous time over the years... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 17, 2013 Report Share Posted December 17, 2013 ==> Lowes pulling the Nitro Not just Lowes --- you'd be hard pressed to find Deft at any of the BORGs... The PPG acquisition was the explanation I received... The issue is your hard pressed to give the stuff away let alone sell it. Ever noticed every gallon can at the big box store was dusty? I was at Rodda a few weeks ago and they were selling it for $4 a gallon to get rid of inventory. Its day is done. Water base finishes have taken its place, you can't survive off a few rattle cans. Many states its not legal to sell more than the rattle cans. Those of us that still spray lots of solvent lacquer for a living wouldn't use Deft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 ==> Ever noticed every gallon can at the big box store was dusty? That's why my local guy orders-it-in. He is stocking less and less solvent-based... ==> $4 a gallon to get rid of inventory. Wow... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 ==> Ever noticed every gallon can at the big box store was dusty? That's why my local guy orders-it-in. He is stocking less and less solvent-based... ==> $4 a gallon to get rid of inventory. Wow... Its not that the solvent doesn't sell its the Deft doesn't sell. I buy my Lacquer and CV from Rodda as does most of the local guys. We all spray solvent just not Deft. Around here none of the professional suppliers stock water based. I think the big box stores all sell water based in one form or another. Most of the people that go to the big box stores are not woodworkers they are just home owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Sorry PB, going to have to disagree as your comment is a bit generic. For starters, there's nothing wrong with Deft. Fact is that not all have your knowledge base or equipment and Deft has its place. Also, just because one picks up their material at a big box store doesn't mean that they're "just home owners". They may not be building high end custom furniture or cabinets but, they use the same tools and techniques as you do so, I would qualify them as "wood workers" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 TIODS, to be fair, none of the cabinet shops, furniture factories, RV manufacturers, or prefab home manufacturers buy finish from BORG stores or Lowes here. In fact most small shops do not either. The customer service is far better from dedicated finishing supply services and the supply lot quantities cannot be supplied or depended on from the big boxes. This is not intended to offend but it is only certain medium big contractors who can get away with using big box stores. If this were not the case, Sherwin and Builder's Mart, and Robert Weed and the rest would have folded long ago. This is not even in consideration of wholesale Rodda etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 ==> Its not that the solvent doesn't sell its the Deft doesn't sell Oh agreed, all our local kitchen cabinet shops are using CV, but WB-CV... In NJ, it's getting hard to get solvent anything anymore... It's not like California yet, but it's certainly getting there... Almost all solvent products have to be ordered-in... All the larger pro-shops are completely WB at this point -- they have little choice... But there is woodworking beyond kitchen cabinets... Deft is great on decorative pieces that don't see much abuse... A lot of high-end guys still use Deft on their bespoke work... It just shoots well and looks good... Another point for Deft -- it's easy to shoot well... Someone without loads of experience can shoot an outstanding finish with Deft... The up-front equipment cost is certainly lower -- you can shoot a dynamite Deft finish with a 3 stage (maybe even 2 stage) HVLP setup... That isn't going to happen with WB... Bespoke/Hobby/etc is certainly a small market, so these products will fade-to-black over time... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Where I agree with you Schaffer, in consideration of the OPs original post, to suggest that they are using inferior products without consideration of cost and availability is somewhat concerning. It's all relative to the experience level and budget of the individual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwacker Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 Sorry PB, going to have to disagree as your comment is a bit generic. For starters, there's nothing wrong with Deft. Fact is that not all have your knowledge base or equipment and Deft has its place. Also, just because one picks up their material at a big box store doesn't mean that they're "just home owners". They may not be building high end custom furniture or cabinets but, they use the same tools and techniques as you do so, I would qualify them as "wood workers" I never said there there was anything wrong with deft. WB has taken over the market. You took my post wrong. Most of the people that go to big box stores are just home owners. Most are not woodworkers. Most dont care about woodworking they are just doing a weekend project and may never need to use a wood finish again. Woodworkers are the minority thus why deft is being pulled from the shelves. Nobody wants or needs it except for a select few woodworkers. It makes no sense to stock it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 I don't disagree that it makes no sense to stock based purely on shelf life but, there is still a need/want for the product which was the OPs topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted December 18, 2013 Report Share Posted December 18, 2013 ==> it makes no sense to stock based purely on shelf life I'm going to contact my finish supplier about shelf life... I've always been told that Deft has infinite shelf life... All my pre-cat stuff is a year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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