wouldwurker Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Wait now...when you say 60 pounds, you mean quid right? Don't you guys weigh things in 'stone' over there? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 LOL - definitely not Freddie. Just finished making the T&G. When you only have a router table, not a shaper/spindle moulder, it's a multi stage process but I batched them out and they are made now. More photos and story will follow. Going for a well deserved beer. I agree, a good cold beer is a guys way of patting himself on the back for a job well done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 Wait now...when you say 60 pounds, you mean quid right? Don't you guys weigh things in 'stone' over there? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk We certainly do but only when it relates to a persons weight. The "official" weight system is kilograms and grams. I was brought up with pounds and ounces but actually understand both. Same with feet and inches. People still use that (even youngsters) when related to the height of a person. All the rest of the time they use metres, centimetres and millimetres which again is the "official" standard. Again I was taught both imperial and metric in the 1970s. Don't get me started on litres against gallons and pints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 I used to work for a British company... Guys over there would point to a gal and say, 'she was quite pretty...2 stone ago'. :0 But to get back on track, the work on the gate looks terrific! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted September 8, 2014 Report Share Posted September 8, 2014 We certainly do but only when it relates to a persons weight. The "official" weight system is kilograms and grams. I was brought up with pounds and ounces but actually understand both. Same with feet and inches. People still use that (even youngsters) when related to the height of a person. All the rest of the time they use metres, centimetres and millimetres which again is the "official" standard. Again I was taught both imperial and metric in the 1970s. Don't get me started on litres against gallons and pints. I don't know about litres, but I sure do know about pints! They taste so good when you need one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 3.8 liters per gallon. Permanently ingrained. Written on all the old one gallon flush toilets when cleaning them was my job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim0625 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 We certainly do but only when it relates to a persons weight. The "official" weight system is kilograms and grams. I was brought up with pounds and ounces but actually understand both. Same with feet and inches. People still use that (even youngsters) when related to the height of a person. All the rest of the time they use metres, centimetres and millimetres which again is the "official" standard. Again I was taught both imperial and metric in the 1970s. Don't get me started on litres against gallons and pints. Yeah but if I looked at my wife and said "oh you weigh about 10 stones.....me thinks there would be violence. As far as "pints"....that gets interpreted here all sorts of ways but often involves consumable things! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 LOL - 1 stone is 14 lbs, there are 8 stones in a hundredweight (cwt), and 20 cwts in one ton. I'm about 2 hundredweight (in my mind!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Here is the next instalment: Tongue and Groove boards The tongue and groove boards were made next. To do this some 6/4 oak was roughly cut to width. Then each of these boards had one face cleaned up and an adjacent face jointed at the jointer. Then, using a wider blade on the bandsaw, each board was carefully resawn. This produced two boards of roughly 18mm thick (just under 3/4"). Then each board was run through the thickness planer to finish at a hair over 15mm (just less than 5/8") thick. Resawing some 6/4 oak On my original design there are actually 2 sets of boards to produce a pleasing design. They were to be alternately spaced narrow-wide-narrow. However on reflection there was a lot of waste produced with this design and I only had a limited amount of stock. It was decided to make equal width pieces. The end boards have to be custom made to fit. One of those boards has a tongue and a rabbet. The other has a groove and a rabbet. Original design showing T&G boards with alternate width boards and differing end boards Using a Trend tongue and groove router bit on the router table a tongue was machined in one edge and a groove in the other face. This particular T&G'r produces straight cuts without a chamfer so another pass through the router table with a chamfering bit installed was used to machine the decorative chamfer. Initial batches made with one cutter to produce the groove The process is first of all to remove one cutter from the set and use the assembly to cut a groove in one of the edges. This was repeated on every board in the set. Then the 2nd cutter is added to the assembly with a series of precision spacing washers. The more washers that are added the tighter the eventual tongue and groove joint - adding washers increases the thickness of the tongue. All the boards were run through the cutter assembly to produce the tongues. Each end board was cut to width and either had a tongue or groove cut into it. These were put to one side until the glue up of the stile and cross members will be done. Ultimately a rabbet will be cut in each of these end sections when the width of each board is determined. Another view of a smoothing plane! Then using a smoothing plane each board had any remaining milling marks removed. The final process on the boards was to cut the chamfers. I used a chamfering bit without a bearing to do this. Just running the boards against the router table fence enabled this. Moving the fence to do the chamfers on the shoulders of the tongue was also possible this way. Chamfering bit cutting the chamfers Commercially a spindle moulder (shaper) would be used to produce the T&G boards in one pass. But as I don't have one the router table was used. Several passes and tool changes later a big pile of T&G boards were made. Only have to cut them to length now. A pile of T&G I will try and pick out any bookmatched or pleasing grains before final assembly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 That's a lot of steps and effort invested in making those parts. They look good ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 I agree w/ Steve but it's certainly going to pay off. Looking really great Terry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Nice work! Those will look awesome in the gate! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 A fairly quiet evening last night not much happening in the shop: Shaping the stiles As the top of the stiles had been left cut longer it was a simple job to mark out and cut the tops. I was going to make a template to do this but found an ideal one in my drafting equipment. It is an acrylic protractor. It is the exact size I wanted. First of all I marked out some base lines 40mm (just over 1.1/2") up from the top of the upper mortise. Then I marked out another line 60mm (just under 2.3/8") further on from this line. Then I simply joined the dots. I projected this around to the other face and marked that too. This is just as a visual reminder when cutting. You don't want to cut the wrong piece out at this stage! A protractor used to mark out the curve Two mirror images Then they were cut out on the bandsaw and finished on the oscillating spindle sander. The curves finished. After the glueup I will round all the edges of the stiles with a handheld router with a roundover bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I am having to take a break from woodworking for the next couple of weeks unfortunately. I'm out of town doing other things so no shop time. I'm still going to look in on the forum from time to time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Terry, If it's vacation, enjoy. If it's work, heck, still enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 Life goes on , I hope you enjoy it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Thanks guys. It is a vacation in Bergerac, France. Going to look for some furniture ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tim0625 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Have a good time Terry....we'll be waiting. Hey! Any nice furniture/wooden things that you see on your trip, post it to this thread. Unique stuff, old stuff... I'm sure others would like to see it too. I'm guessing most of us here have not made it to France ....yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wouldwurker Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I'm jealous! Enjoy your holiday Terry. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Hope you enjoy the holiday Terry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Terry, Still sipping wine w/ the French? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TerryMcK Posted September 23, 2014 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Yes Ken, found good examples of antique furniture that I've taken pictures of. Some of the pictures show their construction and I'll post them all up to the forum when I get home. Got another week out here. It's hard work enjoying ourselves and drinking this wine but somebodies got to do it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 You're to be commended, putting yourself thru unbearable hardships for the sake of the trade. Enjoy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TerryMcK Posted September 24, 2014 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sat in a lodge in the brandy making city of Cognac today. Wow fantastic shops making barrels. A huge ancient jointer powered by a line shaft and loads of old tools. Pictures taken of barrel making process and I'll post them when I get home in a few days time. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted September 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2014 OK everybody I've returned from my sojourn to France and I've got a few photos of pieces of antique furniture you may be interested in. I can always start a new thread if anybody is interested rather than this thread. Let me know. Anyway here is the first piece I thought you may be interested in seeing: La table de chevet Here is a good example of a bedside table that shows the importance of trying to keep woodworm in check. The piece is an antique of unknown age, (maybe a knowledgeable reader could supply the period of manufacture), it has wonderful pierced cabriole legs, a shaped top and a single lockable drawer in the front apron. The dovetails in the drawer were all handcut and the base was made from 3 boards of oak glued together and roughly cut to fit in grooves cut into the drawer sides and front. On the face of it the table looks fabulous Look a little closer and some holes can quite easily be seen Zoom in and you can see those pesky bugs have had a big meal The base of the drawer is made of three boards with some quite rough edges left on the rabbet planing. An interesting detail at the back of the drawer. A new one on me. So make sure you either use kiln dried stock or treat the timber with an approved insecticide to avoid ending up with problems like this piece has. Of course the bugs may have got into the piece by some other means during its history. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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