bbaude Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 As I mentioned in my previous post, I'm finally in a position to reboot my shop after a move from south eastern MN to east central MN. The building that houses my shop is roughly 56'x30'. Within that structure is the "shop"; the other side is connected with double doors and is considered the "garage" where I have tractor, mule, lawnmower, etc. The drawing of the shop is based on machinery I will or already own. In some cases, I have smaller versions of the machines already but I wanted to design the shop around new machinery electrical requirements. In fact, this is where I am at in the process; laying things out so I know where to put electrical drops with the correct V and A. A couple of notes before beginning: * I'm not completely happy with the flow from the miter, to jointer, to planar. * I am contemplating removing one or both of the rollers on the jointer. * Where I have cabinets mocked up, they could be shelves or drawers. Undecided at this point. * Ceilings are 11' * Placement of sander, table saw, and lathe near garage door is purposeful in case I need to deal with longer stock or 4x8 sheets. * I am entirely certain I am short on storage but I "think" I have enough wallspace to take advantage of. Here is a link to the online sketchup drawing where you can view the drawing interactively. For those who prefer png files, I will attach them. https://app.sketchup.com/share/tc/northAmerica/5-IIhP8Mxfo?stoken=55NHWzSeX2k1ooHV99z0d3xVYGHotmhYt2fuvFul6IAr6vAg-a5PQ5qssUtLkB1f&source=web 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 From a material feed perspective I don't care for the layout of the jointer planer and table saw. With the roller stands there isn't much room to move material around on a cart. I'd suggest a material cart as it makes moving lots of material from one station to another a much simpler task. It does require space to move the cart. I'm also not used to seeing the in feed and out feed rollers for all the tools pictured but could see how it's handy. It just takes up a lot of space. The space to the left of the table saw blade is somewhat limiting. I guess the space to the right makes up for it but I personally work more to the left of the blade than to the right. It may or may not be because the right wing of my saw is covered in project parts. I have helical cutters in my planer and made brackets to mount a platform above. I then put my drum sander on said platform to free up floor space. I ratehr like it stacked in this manner. You can see in the background of the picture below. Also this bothers some people but remove setting up tools in 90 degree angles from walls. Placing some tools on angles can free up a ton of in feed and out feed space. This matters more for shops that aren't squares or almost squares. My shop has posts and walls, as a result my band saw is at a 45 degree angle, pl planer is angled from the wall and my work bench is angled as well. The longest line in a shop is the diagonal from corner to corner. I saw a place for an assembly table but not a traditional work bench. I don't know if you are considering a traditional work bench but think about it. They are nice even if you don't do any hand tool work. I'd also consider nesting tools so they can share similar infeed and outfeed space. Putting the jointer againt the planer is one example. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legenddc Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 My shop is approximately 150 square feet and I have no idea what you plan on making, so take these ideas with that in mind. Why do you have rollers on everything? The space between the rollers from the jointer and planer seem to be a complete waste. If you need to have them could you use the same rollers for the jointer/planer? So roller-jointer-shared roller-planer-roller? You have loads of opportunity for storage under the rollers or utilizing the infeed/outfeed areas. Why the desk in the corner? I would switch the drill press/bandsaw/miter saw to the other wall so they're right by the dust collector. Depending on how you use them the bandsaw and drill press could be placed around the drum sander or planer to share the dust collection and power. Router table? It's easier to deal with sheet goods with a track saw first. Not a lot of empty floor space to do that with how you have this set up currently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee-dub Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 We all work differently so all of our responses are not what is right or wrong. They are just our opinion based on how we do things. I tend to gather everything anyone says, keep what works for me and discard those things that don't. Often people's comments will change my thinking or direction. With that disclaimer out of the way . . . I too would lose the roller rigs. One or two rolling tables that adjust in height will serve those purposes and much, much more. They also easily push out of the way when not in use. I almost never use infeed or outfeed in addition to the tables on my jointer. There is rarely a need to joint anything that long in my work. I don't find a miter saw useful for furniture making so I get to reclaim that massive footprint you show. That space could be reduced/replaced by tall storage cabinets and leave more room to move about. I would also reconsider that large corner desk fixture. Corners are great for drill presses or parking spots for mobile machines not in use. I have a sink in one of mine. The sharpening gear is right next to that. Good job on factoring in shorts storage in your plan. I had to add additional shorts and panel cutoff storage despite planning ahead. I don't see any sheet goods storage. Even though I rarely use sheet goods the amount I do keep on hand takes up a lot of room. The swinging rack has worked out really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronn W Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 I agree with most of what has been said. I find that after I have rough cut the length of my pieces I seldom am working with any pices that are longer than 4 or 5 feet. I wouldn't think that you need any roller infeed or outfeed with the possible exception of the drum sander. Omitting the rollers will almost double you usable space. Consider making you assembly table larger. I don't workbench with vise, etc. I would love to have my workbench for handwork next to a window. You bandsaw location does not give you enough room. Yu would have to stand where the drill press is to feed you pieces into the blade. If you put the assembly table on the outfeed side of the table saw, it could serve 2 purposes (outfeed and assembly). Do you realy need to walk around the fence extension side of the table saw? (Mine is against a wall) so consider switching the sander and the table saw and have them almost touching each other. One of my layout conisderations was dust collection. Unless yours is pretty powerful, you may want to have the tools that create the largest particles (like the planer closer to the DC. Sander can be farthest away. Looks like a great space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 This looks closer to a commercial cabinet shop, than most of the hobby shops I've seen. I've heard commercial guys comment, and I think they are right, that arranging your work flow to process the material straight through from the entry to the shop is key to efficient production. If that is one of your goals, I would consider arranging the machines such that the material you use most often hits the machine most likely to process it right at the entryway. For sheet goods, that would be the tablesaw, but for raw lumber, jointer then planer. If commercial work isn't the end game, then my preference would be to arrange the machines and feed tables so as to make it easy to slide the material from one to another, if opening up pathways for a cart isn't practical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbaude Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 3:39 PM, wtnhighlander said: This looks closer to a commercial cabinet shop, than most of the hobby shops I've seen. I've heard commercial guys comment, and I think they are right, that arranging your work flow to process the material straight through from the entry to the shop is key to efficient production. If that is one of your goals, I would consider arranging the machines such that the material you use most often hits the machine most likely to process it right at the entryway. For sheet goods, that would be the tablesaw, but for raw lumber, jointer then planer. If commercial work isn't the end game, then my preference would be to arrange the machines and feed tables so as to make it easy to slide the material from one to another, if opening up pathways for a cart isn't practical. On the commercial cabinet shop cabinet, it is not. But when we built this new home and the secondary buildings, I made sure to give myself what I thought was plenty of room (never enough!). I consider myself luck in that manner. Plus I paid for it in every sense of the word (the lumber was 4x the going price during construction). You are correct on the flow however. I was trying to follow that theme. I've gotten lots of comments on the feed tables and opening that area up. Great stuff from everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbaude Posted January 19, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2023 Ok, here is review 2! I tried to take everyone's input and consider it carefully. I think this is better. Keep the comments coming; I assure you it is helping. ARG! the miter saw landed in there. Ignore it please! SKP -> https://app.sketchup.com/share/tc/northAmerica/TZvO4SdFwZo?stoken=5wDct2R-IYxYeJFuQb69KCS8YTIWksmoFpew-m37GaugrdGTag2pZdwVLz98GetR&source=web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legenddc Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Looks good. Can't wait to see it come together! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 On 1/17/2023 at 4:34 PM, bbaude said: I've gotten lots of comments on the feed tables and opening that area up. One more point about the fixed roller stands. For jointer & planner it's the infeed & outfeed tables that raise and lower, so the roller feeds would have to be adjustable, and then adjusted every time you change table height (which will be a lot on the planner). You'd be better off with a pair of portable stands. And with machines designed with longer feed tables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonPacific Posted January 20, 2023 Report Share Posted January 20, 2023 Looks like a great space and layout! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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