New and Need help!

[mccabegc]

Greetings everyone! As you could tell from the title, I am new here. My wife and I are going to be making settlement on our new home in a few months and I have begun to plan out how I will "furnish" my garage. I have NOTHING. Our current home had zero storage, no shed, no garage, so I had zero space. My very supportive wife has given me the go ahead to equip the garage as I see fit within reason of course. I am a hobbiest not a pro. There will be no SawStops or PM1000's at this time. Even if I had the money, I don't think I would make that large of a leap right away. I have read many pros/cons about the delta and ridgid saws so I have been very cautious to pull the trigger.

I am looking to go with:

Table Saw, Jointer, Planer, Dust Collection and maybe Bandsaw to get started. The one thing I do have is a 12" ryobi sliding miter saw that I can deal with for a bit until more money comes around. I figure my budget will be in the $3000 range. I would not be disappointed to stay under budget as I will also be doing the wiring and finish work of the garage in addition to these purchases.

My first projects I hope to tackle is basic shop stuff. Shelving, cabinets, maybe a router table. After that though, the sky is the limit as we start a room to room renovation. My end goal is to build all the cabinets for a kitchen renovation a few years from now.

Thank you all in advance!

George

[Brendon_t]

Hey George, welcome to the forum. You've come to the prefect place to get help spending every dime you have and will have : )

If you are going to be wiring up the garage,  copper could eat up a lot of that budget but having reliable power that is easy to access  will make the space nicer to work in once you deck it out.

 

[mccabegc]

I'll be wiring up the garage outside of the expected tool budget. Feel free to spend my entire 3k on goodies =)

[Brendon_t]

Where are you located?  Are you willing to buy used equipment and do some light restoration/cleanup? Do you plan on buying rough lumber and milling your self or buying ready to go lumber? 

Reason I ask,  a jointer and planer could really easily eat up a third of your budget. 

Used markets depending on area and your willingness can provide a good way to fill a shop with tools at a lower than new price but obviously with no warranty.

[mccabegc]

I am in southern NJ. I browse craigslist on occasion but have not found anything worth jumping on yet. Not within a 30-40 mile drive anyways.

I am open to anything that equips the shop. New would obviously be preferred due to the whole warranty issue, however it's not a deal breaker.

I will probably start out buying ready to go lumber and just working it down to final size. I could in time turn to buying rough lumber to save on cost and mill it completely myself.

If, a third of the budget is used by a jointer and planer then it is what it is. I do not want to forego say, a bandsaw early on, but I also dislike doing things twice. So, if I need to buy a few things now that are essential and pick a few more things up later than that is just what i will do. I do not expect this to be a one time shopping spree. 

[RichardA]

Grizzly tools .com

[knotscott]

A good table saw can be more accurate for crosscuts than a miter saw, and is much more versatile.  I only use my miter saw for very long boards that are awkward on the TS like molding, framing, or decking, which is rare for me.  Point being, you may not need a miter saw so I'd wouldn't just run out and get one without valid reason.  A TS, jointer, planer, and DC make more sense to me to get first if you plan to build things from dimensional lumber.  I'd definitely add a router to the mix, then would look to add a BS or DP as needed.  

The ABCs of Table Saws

 

[Tom Cancelleri]

Grizzly is a great option to start with equipping a shop for the first time.

The question is will you have 220V available in your shop? That will make a difference on what you get and can get later on. 

 

Here's your entire budget in just a table saw, jointer, and planer. Of course, you could go smaller and get a benchtop planer, and a 6" jointer. However at some point you will outgrow them and you wind up spending more in the long run. At least from what I've experienced and read what others have experienced as well. Buy once, cry once. 

http://www.grizzly.com/products/10-Hybrid-Table-Saw-with-Riving-Knife-Polar-Bear-Series/G0715P

http://www.grizzly.com/products/15-3-HP-220V-Planer-Polar-Bear-Series/G0453P

http://www.grizzly.com/products/8-x-72-Jointer-with-Mobile-Base/G0656W

 

Throw in another 650 for the bandsaw

http://www.grizzly.com/products/14-Deluxe-Bandsaw/G0555LX

 

Throw in a dust collector to use with all the tools. =)

[mccabegc]

You guys are awesome!

Yes, I will have 220 available in the shop. Since my shop is going to be my garage attached to my house, I can wire whatever single phase configuration I want. The only decision I really have to make is power to the table saw. I dunno if I want to have a 220 retractable reel for the TS or if I want to explore another option. The reel will allow me to open the entire center of the garage up by moving the saw out of the way if necessary. (I will absolutely be getting a mobile base).

Thank you so much for the input.

Thoughts on DC? I have seen some cool modifications using the Harbor freight setup.

[Tom Cancelleri]

If you can, a canister filter is gonna be easier to maintain than a bag filter

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[Brendon_t]

The HF collector  is adequate for how many set up a garage. 

For your budget,  it is almost impossible to beat the bang grizzly will give you, new with warranty from your list.

Some have sworn them off,  others use them day in and out workout issue. I'm on the fence but also like buying old units and restoring them for my use for less (usually). Personally, I'd drop the floor planer and add a dewalt 745 unit.  Many will never outgrow that unit,  needs less power and is garage portable. 

I don't have any 220 on a reel.  I wired each 220 tool  for where it is going plus about 4' of slack.

I'm very surprised the F word hasn't been uttered yet.

[Chestnut]

8 minutes ago, Brendon_t said:

The HF collector  is adequate for how many set up a garage.

I'd drop the floor planer and add a dewalt 745 unit.  

I'm very surprised the F word hasn't been uttered yet.

How often does the HF collector go onside i'm in the market for one of them as soon as possible. I saw i was 169 a couple months ago is it common to see it at that price?

Did you mean the DW735x? @mccabegc I have the DW 735x along with many others and love it works great and does a great job. Read Knotscott's posts on table saws, he doesn't know it but it was all of his advice, to others, that i used to make my table saw decision and i really appreciate all his advice. Also skip the miter saw get a good table saw and make a cross cut sled, i wish i had done that to start with it'd have saved me the money i spend on the miter. The miter you have is more than enough.

... no F words.

[Brendon_t]

37 minutes ago, Chestnut said:

 

Did you mean the DW735x? @mccabegc I have the DW 735x along with many others and love it works great and does a great job. 

Yes I did.  Fat fingered it.

You can almost always find a current coupon for Harbor Freight 20 to 30% off printed off or even take a cell phone picture and they will honor it. Even if you have expired coupons every Harbor Freight I've ever seen will still take it

[mccabegc]

yea, there is a few videos around of a modified HF DC using a Oneida dust deputy and a hepa filter instead of a bag. I'm almost certain to be going in that direction.

I will also most likely go with the DW735x vs the Grizzly 15" floor planer. I'm in agreement that I will most likely not out grow that item as i see many many people still using that dewalt day in and day out. That will leave some money in the budget to go after either a bandsaw and/or a router to go into the table I plan to build.

[knotscott]

South Jersey Craigslist from a glance:

Shop Fox Jointer - http://delaware.craigslist.org/tls/5474391428.html

Jet 6" jointer - http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/5479272788.html - (I'd offer less)

Jet 6" jointer - http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5475306707.html

Delta 6" jointer - http://newyork.craigslist.org/wch/tls/5478932990.html

Ridgid jointer - http://longisland.craigslist.org/tls/5427243062.html (I'd offer less)

Grizzly hybrid saw - http://southjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5479568917.html (I'd offer less)

Grizzly contractor saw - http://delaware.craigslist.org/tls/5472402316.html (I'd offer less)

Delta contractor saw w/Unifence - http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/5446258910.html

Delta contractor saw w/Unifence - http://southjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5470632107.html (I'd offer less)

Ridgid 3650 contractor saw - http://cnj.craigslist.org/tls/5458206691.html

Delta Unisaw w/Biese fence - http://philadelphia.craigslist.org/tls/5477710136.html

Jet Proshop hybrid w/Vega fence - http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/tls/5472864814.html

Jet Proshop w/52" fence & router table - http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/tls/5475604439.html

Delta planer - http://southjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5434084734.html

DW 735 planer - http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5484154765.html

DW735 planer - http://hudsonvalley.craigslist.org/tls/5480816024.html

Grizzly 15" planer - http://newjersey.craigslist.org/tls/5459652307.html

Delta 15" planer - http://delaware.craigslist.org/tls/5424833972.html

 

[PeteJr]

Welcome to the Forum George!

 

[jplemons]

You can get started pretty fast without a jointer/planer if you're just looking to build shop stuff for awhile, which is mostly plywood. Cabinets are plywood boxes with hardwood frames. You can get dimensioned lumber for face frames. Router, table saw, bandsaw, router table and dust collection. Plenty of options. I've started without a table saw altogether. 

[jmaichel]

If you are going to have 220 than I would suggest going with one of the Grizzly 3HP table saws. If you are just going to be doing shop furniture and cabinets a jointer and planer might not make the most sense initially. I would look into a router ( or two), router table, and couple good blades for your saw and some high quality router bits. I think the HF dust collector will serve you fine if your just starting out. Once you decide that you really like and start adding the rest of the shop you will most likely want/need a lot better dust collection system than what you started with. The HF is a good way to get into the hobby at minimal cost leaving extra money for tools. 

If you are dead set on a table saw, jointer, and planer than I would go for an 8" Grizzly and the Dewalt Planer. It really depends on how long you will have to wait in between tool purchases. If you wont have to wait too long, the first option might be the way to go. Building shop furniture and cabinets can take some time and table saw and router can get you pretty far. If most of your first projects are going to involve plywood you may want to consider a track saw also (not to replace the table saw). 

[jplemons]

Some people really like the Ridgid table saw as a less expensive option. My neighbor has had one for years and swears by it. That'll save some $$. Remember, if you're starting from scratch, there's more to buy than just the big tools and all the little things you'll need/want add up. Squares, clamps, hand tools, dust collection accessories, tape measures, a plane or three. In between saving for bigger purchased, I've been picking up the little things here and there. 

[mccabegc]

Thank you all for your replies! I have yet to make a final decision. Thankfully we do not make settlement for a bit yet. 

i have honestly considered the ridgid saw to save money. I have been reading tons and tons of reviews and forum posts. Endless YouTube videos. I am narrowing it down but am thankful to have the time to make an educated decision so that I will be happy for years to come!

[knotscott]

Between the newer Ridgid and the Delta table saws, I'd go with the Delta.  IMO it has a better fence, and it has a better track record.  As good as some of the older Ridgid saws were prior to this model, they're really irrelevant to the new one....there's nearly no correlation.  If you're still considering the Ridgid, I'd also add the Craftsman 21833 to the list, which is nearly identical.  Always buy the tool instead of the brand. 

[sjeff70]

That Craftsman 21833 is 50% off right now.  Seems to be the best value. 

[Tpt life]

1 minute ago, sjeff70 said:

That Craftsman 21833 is 50% off right now.  Seems to be the best value. 

50 or 5? Link?

[sjeff70]

http://www.searsoutlet.com/10-in-Contractor-Saw-Sears%2321833-/d/product_details.jsp%3Fstxt%3D218833+table+saw%26md%3Dsrh_md%26pn%3D1%26ps%3D25%26pid%3D32271&cid=1224&mode=seeAll&itemSelectionType=all

I assume if there's not one at your store you can have one delivered.

Edit:

I can't make heads or tails out of the Sears sight.  The worst website ever.  That's why I no longer do business with this horribly ran company.  I guess there are no stores in New Jersey that have or sell any table saws.

If anyone can figure out their website please let me know.  I'm done.