Dan S Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I feel the need get to one system and the Tormek is great for my carving kit, but it’s just not on for Japanese paring and dovetail chisels... We’ll see... Have you considered a 2" x 72" belt grinder with an assortment of belts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 That's interesting, because that's what you are doing. Basically your arguing that you opinion is more valid than someone else's. No, I'm arguing that the stone is the stone regardless of your opinion of its value. Whether or not you think it's worth the price - or if I think it's worth the price - means nothing in regard to the quality of the item in question. I'm not talking down to anyone who either can't afford it or who thinks it's an outrageous price to pay for a flattening stone...that's subjective and there's no right or wrong. All I'm saying is just because it doesn't meet your idea of good value doesn't make it any less of a superior product. Revisit my Porsche analogy if you're having trouble understanding my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Like the ProEdge? I've considered it, but I've got two systems as it is... Well three -- I use a dry grinder to set a primary bevel... And about to setup a forth -- I'm working a jig for my disk sander set permanently at 25d to quickly establish a primary with no thinking -- kind of 'primary for dummies'... I'm not an expert with the stuff I've got now... If I added another system, I'd never get any furniture built... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Revisit my Porsche analogy if you're having trouble understanding my point. That is exactly what I'm referencing. You analogy, of the dia-flat being the Porsche, and the atoma/iwood being a Mazda, shows your bias. IMO if the dia-flat is a Porsche then the atoma is a Nissan GT-R, pretty much interchangeable, and purchasing decision is based more on the owners personal preference.The green rock Norton sesls wold be a Mazda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Like the ProEdge? I've considered it, but I've got two systems as it is... Well three -- I use a dry grinder to set a primary bevel... And about to setup a forth -- I'm working a jig for my disk sander set permanently at 25d to quickly establish a primary with no thinking -- kind of 'primary for dummies'... I'm not an expert with the stuff I've got now... If I added another system, I'd never get any furniture built... What about this jig: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apm9kv-eXCU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 That is exactly what I'm referencing. You analogy, of the dia-flat being the Porsche, and the atoma/iwood being a Mazda, shows your bias. IMO if the dia-flat is a Porsche then the atoma is a Nissan GT-R, pretty much interchangeable, and purchasing decision is based more on the owners personal preference.The green rock Norton sesls wold be a Mazda. atoma/GT-R = $101,458 base price Diaflat/Porsche 911 base price $82,616. Biase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Like the ProEdge? Kind of This is a commercial unit/kit A lot of small time knife makers make their own, because commercial units can get really expensive depending on the manufacture, and options. A friend of mine that makes custom french horns has one that he uses for polishing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 atoma/GT-R = $101,458 base price Diaflat/Porsche 911 base price $82,616. Biase? Car guys don't buy a base model 911 they buy a gt3. if they are feeling ballsy they get a gt3 rs. If they are completely mental they get a 918. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 More women drive porsche than men btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Yeah isn't the diversified product line a drag. I'm telling you though, it isn't just now. Going back to 2000, I was astounded at the % of m-f drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G S Haydon Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Bushwacked, dude, you need a diamond stone? . Side walk - Concrete block..... I can't talk from personal experience but I have heard good things from a sharpening nut about how good the atoma is. He does a lot of work on a ton of different mediums and only has good things to say. . Beyond that I can't help, although the Eric Vs Dan Handbags is very amusing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 What kind of sharpening stones are you getting? Right now I am not sure ... I doubt I will be getting into the expensive true japanese stones or things like that. I am leaning toward the Shapton Pro series though at the moment. Thanks for all the debate and info guys it is very informative .. and fun to read As for my uses ... I will be using this flattening stone to flatten my stones, and flatten chisels, planes, ect ect ... If that plays into this at all since it will have multiple uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I love my shapton pro stones. I have limited experience with other stones so a small bank of knowledge to pull from but they cut quite fast, flatten easily, and clean off well. I have no regrets. Just noticed this on amazon.. is the bottom a fake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I love my shapton pro stones. I have limited experience with other stones so a small bank of knowledge to pull from but they cut quite fast, flatten easily, and clean off well. I have no regrets. Just noticed this on amazon.. is the bottom a fake? I think they are real, but just a cheaper ceramic version? The Sumurai Carpenter recommends them on his site ... http://samuraicarpenter.com/samurai-carpenter-tools He also recommends the Atoma Diamond Sharpener Coarse Grade ＃140 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BN32EXY?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creativeASIN=B00BN32EXY&linkCode=xm2&tag=thesamucarp-20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom King Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 I got by fine with a 9x12 granite surface plate and sandpaper for years when I used Norton stones. It worked fine and the sandpaper would last many uses with just rinsing off. After I went to faster cutting stones, I broke down and bought one of the replacement sheets of Atoma 400, and stuck it to that surface plate. It stays in one side of the double sharpening sink up at an angle. The faucet can swing to go over it. It works great. I think it's an 8x8 or some metric close to that, and should last me many years. Woodcraft sells that size granite surface plate for 25 bucks on sale a couple of times a year. When they do, I have a hard time not getting another one. I bought one and cut it up on the brick and tile saw for individual pieces of Diamond Lapping Film. The last one I bought was flat to .001MM. I keep one still for sandpaper that I sharpen jointer and power planer blades on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 now that they sell station wagons, SUVs and boxters that makes sense. The Panamera (station wagon) is an abomination. That think is ugly as sin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdabroxx Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Right now I am not sure ... I doubt I will be getting into the expensive true japanese stones or things like that. I am leaning toward the Shapton Pro series though at the moment. Thanks for all the debate and info guys it is very informative .. and fun to read As for my uses ... I will be using this flattening stone to flatten my stones, and flatten chisels, planes, ect ect ... If that plays into this at all since it will have multiple uses. Have you played with the thought of only using diamond stones and a strop? I really liked my shapton glass stone until I made a leather strop and added some diamond lapidary paste from amazon. Maybe 30 bucks invested. I recently picked up a duosharp in course/fine and I want to add the extra extra course/ extra course for chips and whatnot. I find that I can go straight from the duo fine to the leather strop and get a pretty nice polish. Plus if I'm just touching up I don't even need water. Less mess! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Depends on your personality – if you’re the buy-it-once sort of guy, then I’d get the Dia-Flat. I’ve used just about every method available to flatten stones (including most of the diamond plates available and all those mentioned above) – they all work. The differences come down to speed, cost, maintenance, mess and lifespan... The Dia-Flat completely outclasses every other method and every other diamond plate hands down in every category, except speed and cost – full stop. I got mine when they first became available and they get used every sharpening session – absolutely no sign of wear... I also use them to true-up and refresh Tormek wheels, flatten the backs of plane irons, sharpen kitchen knives, axes, etc... The only decision is which mesh to get – medium or fine. The standard plate is 125u and works well for most flattening needs. On a limited production basis (like once a year), you can get the fine-mesh (160) plate (95u) for flattening fine stones. I’ve got both. I’d recommend the standard mesh plate for 99% of applications. I use the fine mesh plate to flatten Natural Japanese Waterstones (colloquially, Jnat)... I’ve been told it’s a mortal sin, but I take my small pleasures where I find them... Due to cost, they are overkill for most hobby shops -- unless you want to buy now and have a plate that outlasts you... Here's Chris Schwarz's reviews: http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/dmt-introduces-its-dia-flat-plate http://www.popularwoodworking.com/woodworking-blogs/chris-schwarz-blog/dmts-dia-flat-takes-a-crazy-beating Thanks for the info! I will be getting the standard plate if I go this route .. Yes I saw Chris' articles on it and that is what basically sold me on the choice. Like I mentioned above I will be using to flatten stones, chisels, planes, ect ect so it will get some solid use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 Have you played with the thought of only using diamond stones and a strop? I really liked my shapton glass stone until I made a leather strop and added some diamond lapidary paste from amazon. Maybe 30 bucks invested. I recently picked up a duosharp in course/fine and I want to add the extra extra course/ extra course for chips and whatnot. I find that I can go straight from the duo fine to the leather strop and get a pretty nice polish. Plus if I'm just touching up I don't even need water. Less mess! are you talking about something like these? http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W7EFC-Diamond-Whetstone-Stone/dp/B00004WFTD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxdabroxx Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 are you talking about something like these? http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W7EFC-Diamond-Whetstone-Stone/dp/B00004WFTD I've got this one: http://www.amazon.com/DMT-WM8FC-WB-8-Inch-DuoSharp-Bench/dp/B000H6MLOK/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1436908778&sr=1-1&keywords=duosharp A 10" would be awesome but pretty unnecessary. They are proud of the extra extra course duosharp though. I cant find it for less than $120. But the fine/course is a steal at 70. I've also got another diamond stone by EZ-Lap but I'm favoring the duosharp. I just want a courser grit for reshaping. I've used everything from old oil stones to norton and shapton waterstones and I'm liking the diamonds more and more. Sure they don't feel all silky smooth when you draw a blade across them like a glass stone but the lack of need to flatten and lack of mess for quick jobs is quickly growing on me. This is the diamond paste I use on my leather strops which is just leather contact cemented to some MDF scraps. http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-Polishing-Lapidary-Syringe-concentrations/dp/B007JEFL9K/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1436910170&sr=8-3&keywords=lapidary+paste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan S Posted July 14, 2015 Report Share Posted July 14, 2015 are you talking about something like these? http://www.amazon.com/DMT-W7EFC-Diamond-Whetstone-Stone/dp/B00004WFTD I think he means this.http://battlering.com/overkillsharp.html I know a guy that does this. he is a machinist, so he can make dead flat steel plates for next to nothing. If you have a way of getting flat steel plates, it might be the cheapest and fastest way to sharpen just about anything. Veritas sells plates, but i think they want way to much for what you are getting. http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=69438&cat=1,43072 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomwolf Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 If this is just for flattening waterstones, why not get a spare waterstone and use that? You rub two of them together and they true each other automatically. No special gear required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 If this is just for flattening waterstones, why not get a spare waterstone and use that? You rub two of them together and they true each other automatically. No special gear required. More than just flattening. Using on chisels, planes ect ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger. Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 If this is just for flattening waterstones, why not get a spare waterstone and use that? You rub two of them together and they true each other automatically. No special gear required. Contamination of the stones can occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomwolf Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Missed the bit about flattening metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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