chrisphr Posted November 13, 2015 Report Share Posted November 13, 2015 So I wasn't planning on doing a journal for this project, and it is also kind of weird to post one now since I am in the home stretch but I have another question I'd like to get the forum's feedback on and rather than create a third thread on the same project in general woodworking I'll put it in a journal so I stop littering the forum.While this project appears to be one of the simpler guild builds (and it may be), it was plenty challenging for my skill set. Gained some good experience from this project. It is riddled with imperfections and errors, but I think they've been hidden well enough that only me and other woodworkers will notice. Layout:Patching up a knot and a crack on the inside of one of the panels with some epoxy:Pattern routing complete, squaring off the corners:Test fit case finger joints: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Looking good, Chris! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Making plug mortises. Created a hairline crack in one of the panels, fixed it with epoxy and some great guidance from Carus and Trip. Cut the dado for the bottom panel, rounded over all the corners, fit it all together. Had to use a hardware store file to do a lot of the rounding, need to add a rasp to my tool kit soon. :-)Got the mitered base together. This would have been tricky without the domino... Getting the round overs on the base, next is the glue up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisphr Posted November 14, 2015 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Base and case merge, it is a beautiful thing!Add the top, free of any sapwood (thanks everyone for talking me out of that error of judgement). My wife is giving me crap about being on the computer so I'll post my question later. ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Looking awesome! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Looking really good Chris! Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Nice work so far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Looks great! I'd like to build this some day too.Meanwhile, your wife is giving you crap about being on the computer? I'd divorce my wife if she did that. She understands that my computers and I are one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnaziri Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 That looks great. I plan to build the chest one of these days but I need to get my courage up to get started. Seeing your build is inspiring me to get started soon. Keep posting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Thanks for the comments everyone! So the current challenge is the handles. When I put the plug mortises in the blank, they were near perfect, nice crisp edges. After shaping the piece using a stationary sander, it exposed imperfections in the mortise below the surface (I'm assuming the sanding isn't the cause). You can see what I mean in the picture. Is this a sign the mortise punch is dull? Bad technique? What do you think is the best way to fix? I was considering chiseling it straight again, then gluing a small piece of wood in there, then pairing that back till I get to my 3/8 hole. Or should I try to fill with a dust glue mix after the plug is installed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerryMcK Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Is this the show face of the handle Chris? If it is I would just remake it. Try locally scoring across the grain with a marking knife before you use the punch. Great work so far. What species of wood are you using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Thanks Terry, I'm using Cherry for this project. Remaking the part makes sense, but part of the reason I was leaning to a repair is I'm not sure what I did wrong the first time. I'm afraid if I remake the part, I'll get the same result.Do you think the scoring will work? The challenge is since the shaping happens after the mortise punching, the shaping exposes the damaged fibers hidden beneath the surface.Another idea I had was to crack out the hollow chisel mortiser chuck it with 3/8 bit and put the mortise in after the shaping. Or I could try to use the punch after shaping, although it might be tough to locate and hold straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 What is this "mortise punch" thing you keep referring to? I first assumed you meant a hollow chisel, but you mention that later. To me, the hole seems to have tear-out, as from a dull tool. But I'm not sure I know the tool tou used. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 What is this "mortise punch" thing you keep referring to? I first assumed you meant a hollow chisel, but you mention that later. To me, the hole seems to have tear-out, as from a dull tool. But I'm not sure I know the tool tou used.I think it's these. Not 100% though. http://www.leevalley.com/us/Wood/page.aspx?p=65380&cat=1,43456 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Chris, It's the same punch you used in the rest of the build, right? And they appear to be crisp and clean. I would try to elongate it, similar to the ones in the bread board ends on the top. If that doesn't work, I'd remake it, but use the pinch again on a piece of scrap to make sure it's not dull. You can buy the sharpening cone from Lee Valley if it is. Good luck, chest looks great so far! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Looking good. Can't you just test out the mortise punch on a piece of scrap to see if you always get this problem? Maybe try a couple variations of technique or different method of inserting the plugs, or different amounts of sanding....sometimes trial and error is the best way to learn what you're doing wrong, just do it on some scrap before you ruin another piece for your build. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted November 15, 2015 Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Chris, I just watched the video and I see no reason why you couldn't create the mortises after the shaping. As long as you do it before the roundovers, your square will still have a nice flat reference surface that should work just fine. That's what I would do anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 What is this "mortise punch" thing you keep referring to? It is the one Mel points out. It could very well be dull, since these are the last mortises in the project. The tear out is below the surface, so wouldn't have been a problem had I not later removed material to add the curve. Note to anyone considering this project: Make the handle blanks early in the project while your punch is still sharp. I would try to elongate it, similar to the ones in the bread board ends on the top.You can buy the sharpening cone from Lee Valley if it is. Maybe try a couple variations of technique or different method of inserting the plugs, or different amounts of sanding....sometimes trial and error is the best way to learn what you're doing wrong, just do it on some scrap before you ruin another piece for your build.These are great ideas, really appreciate it. I think this will be the plan of attack in this order:Save the parts:1. Try some layouts elongating the mortises. If it looks good and is proportional, save the parts.Remake the parts:2. Try the hollow chisel mortiser on a piece of scrap to see if that will give me a clean result. If that doesn't work...3. Burn some cash on a tool I may never need again (cone sharpener)Thanks again for the ideas! Chris, I just watched the video and I see no reason why you couldn't create the mortises after the shaping. As long as you do it before the roundovers, your square will still have a nice flat reference surface that should work just fine. That's what I would do anyway.I just assumed it would be hard to keep straight after the curve was added, but this is another thing to try on a piece of scrap first. I'll reorder my options above to make this number 2 above. Better solution than trying to get the HCM set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post chrisphr Posted November 15, 2015 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted November 15, 2015 Update:I remade the handles. It turned out that hammering the hole punch after the curve was made was a non-issue. I also pre-severed the wood fibers as Terry suggested because on my test piece I was still getting a little bit of tear out, I guess that is the nature of a dull hole punch... You can see new and old in the picture.Got the Router set up to cut the cove. Marc kinda scared me with the "I'm not comfortable teaching this technique" remarks, but I found it went really smoothly and without some of the router chatter I think I heard in video by taking EXTREMELY small bites. I got it done in about 5 passes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 The handles turned out nice. Making plugs (dang this is tedious!) There was some minor inconsistency in the longer plug mortises, so some plugs had to be custom fit. First couple plugs installed nicely, hopefully I will get them all installed tomorrow! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 You are more patient than I, for sure! This is shaping up quite nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Looking good. Almost at the finish line. What are you using for finish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Looking good. Almost at the finish line. What are you using for finish? I'll take suggestions for the finish. I was planning on Lacquer over Danish oil because I've had some success with that combo, but totally willing to consider something new! Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisphr Posted November 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 You are more patient than I, for sure! This is shaping up quite nicely. I've come to the conclusion that this is one of those projects that looks like it will go fast but is actually slower than some more complex projects. Those ebony plugs and splines are a real time eater... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 I'll take suggestions for the finish. I was planning on Lacquer over Danish oil because I've had some success with that combo, but totally willing to consider something new! Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think thats a great combo. Go with what has worked well in the past. I am using that same finish combo on the chest of drawers.What lacquer are you thinking of using? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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