estesbubba Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 Ran it 2 days ago and no problems and today the conveyor runs but motor won't start. I took the cover off the switch and found a ground wire came off and reattached it. Turned the motor on and still nothing. Took the motor connection cover off and measured 122 volts going to it so switch seems fine. Got the manual out and found this. Check plug connection. Make sure fuse is not blown/circuit breaker is not tripped. Push the circuit breaker button on the sander motor to re-set. I've looked all around and can't find a breaker button anywhere. Anyone know where it is? Is there any way to test the start capacitor? What are the next troubleshooting steps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary-ks Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 The breaker should be on the top side of the motor. Let me take a quick picture of mine and will post it soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davestanton Posted February 13, 2016 Report Share Posted February 13, 2016 I am interested in this thread because that machine is the next one on my purchase list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Went out there again and still can't find a reset button anywhere. Took the switch box apart and noticed the hot wire has some burn on the insulation. This wire was right next to the ground wire that came off. Do you think that if the ground came off while running it could have damaged the motor or start capacitor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I'm sure it COULd have but I can't view the pic so I can't see. I blew my entire circuit board when my drum sander took a crap on me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I have the Performax 16/32 predecessor . The circuit breaker has only popped when I ran the machine almost all day and the motor got hot. It has a Leeson motor and the breaker is under the motor on the end of a square electrical connection box. (Jet may have used different motors ) If your switch checks out I have gotten motors with a bad start capacitor to run by spinning the motor real hard before flipping the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I went out there and spun the drum and tried to start the motor with no luck. If 122V is getting to the motor I'm assuming the switch is working properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Check the voltage past the switch with it in the on position if you can do it safely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 Can you find a wiring diagram? Does the switch control from the hot side or the ground? If it is switching ground, you could still have 120 to the motor with a faulty switch. if you find the wiring diagram, post it up. I'm sure we could work through it. This is the only crappy one the manual has. I suspect the lock out key on the switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 I'm surprised we haven't heard from the Supermax owners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 hours ago, wdwerker said: Check the voltage past the switch with it in the on position if you can do it safely. Steve with the switch on it's 122V at the motor terminals. 2 hours ago, Brendon_t said: Can you find a wiring diagram? Does the switch control from the hot side or the ground? If it is switching ground, you could still have 120 to the motor with a faulty switch. if you find the wiring diagram, post it up. I'm sure we could work through it. This is the only crappy one the manual has. I suspect the lock out key on the switch. P34 here http://content.jettools.com/assets/manuals/629004_man_EN.pdf 2 hours ago, K Cooper said: I'm surprised we haven't heard from the Supermax owners. Just because you have an extra 3" doesn't mean you can troubleshoot motors... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 2 hours ago, estesbubba said: P34 here http://content.jettools.com/assets/manuals/629004_man_EN.pdf That's a diagram with wiring but not really an actual wiring diagram. I would like to see how the poles of the switch throws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 9 hours ago, estesbubba said: Steve with the switch on it's 122V at the motor terminals. P34 here http://content.jettools.com/assets/manuals/629004_man_EN.pdf Just because you have an extra 3" doesn't mean you can troubleshoot motors... I have the same ds you have and still can't troubleshoot motors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 When the switch is off white and black wires at motor have 0V. When switch is on both white and black wires at motor have 122V. Switch has white and black wires going to it but no ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 So I realized the motor actually has a plug that goes into the switch box. I plugged it directly into an outlet and motor runs. Good news but I still have a problem. Plug my outlet tester in the switch box outlet and this. Tomorrow I'll check all the connections in that little ass box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I'm not actually sure how to read the feedback on that outlet tester. What does two reds mean? With that burn on the black wire above, I would be surprised if it didn't trip a protective unit. Is there a fuse or friable link in there? Also did you replace that connector? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 5 hours ago, Brendon_t said: I'm not actually sure how to read the feedback on that outlet tester. What does two reds mean? Right on the label, second from the bottom. It is actually red and a very amber yellow. Hot/Neutral Reversed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Moore Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 I would check your wall outlet with that tester before I charged into the sander looking for a problem. Someone may have reversed the connection in the outlet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estesbubba Posted February 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 Wall outlet is fine. I actually had a circuit in my house that had the same hot/neutral reversed and the problem ended up being a loose neutral in the panel so tonight I'll check all the white wires. There is a circuit board int he switch box but my guess is it's just for the SmartSand feature. I'm hoping the normal switch on the front of the box doesn't go through the circuit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 5 hours ago, C Shaffer said: Right on the label, second from the bottom. It is actually red and a very amber yellow. Hot/Neutral Reversed. There's the issue. I'm color blind, I thought it was red red and didn't see that on the legend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 18 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: There's the issue. I'm color blind, I thought it was red red and didn't see that on the legend. Meant no disrespect. I grew up around that very model of tester. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 None taken. That made it make sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post estesbubba Posted February 17, 2016 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 Took the switch off and pushed all the connections tight. Noticed the outlet did have hot/neutral reversed and fixed that. Put back together and runs now. Ran 9 years being wired wrong and don't know why it suddenly mattered. Could have been one wire was a little loose. Oh well feels good to be back in business and not have to fork any money out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 1 minute ago, estesbubba said: Took the switch off and pushed all the connections tight. Noticed the outlet did have hot/neutral reversed and fixed that. Put back together and runs now. Ran 9 years being wired wrong and don't know why it suddenly mattered. Could have been one wire was a little loose. Oh well feels good to be back in business and not have to fork any money out. Good on Ya dude! Glad you got it resolved, inexpensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwalter5110 Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 39 minutes ago, estesbubba said: Took the switch off and pushed all the connections tight. Noticed the outlet did have hot/neutral reversed and fixed that. Put back together and runs now. Ran 9 years being wired wrong and don't know why it suddenly mattered. Could have been one wire was a little loose. Oh well feels good to be back in business and not have to fork any money out. Sounds like it was very possible that you had a loose connection. Especially with the burnt wire. Loose connections cause resistance, and resistance causes heat. Glad you got it figured out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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