Veritas 32 cabinetmaking system or Rockler Pro Shelf Drilling Jig

[lighthearted]

Anyone have any experience with the Veritas 32 cabinetmaking system or the Rockler Pro Shelf Drilling Jig?

Worth it?  Rocklers seems enough.

I have some cabinetry in my future.

[Woodenskye]

If your just looking for a shelf pin jig, kreg makes a decent 1.  If you want to spend the money or do a lot of cabinets, the Festool LR32 is really good.

[wdwerker]

I have used "The True Position  " hardware guide for over 25 years. I added the extension bars a year or so ago. Versital and accurate . It's even easy to drill for adjustable shelves inside an existing cabinet. Doing custom cabinets for a living means my jig gets used way more than most people ever use one. 

[Keggers]

I have the Rockler system and it's worked fine for me. I don't use it often but it's easy and accurate.

[Chestnut]

Seems a tad bit elaborate. I have the kreg jig and like it ok. I used it for an entire kitchens worth of cabinets. The holes always seemed to get some tear out in oak ply but i was never careful. In solid wood or birch/Marple ply the performance is better this is to be expected from all drill bit based systems. The systems that use a router are probably much better. For router use i'd do a shop made jig. Cabinets are usually 2 sizes 12" and 24" make 2 jigs from ply using a 1/2" guide bushing and a 1/4" spiral bit.

[wdwerker]

Back when I bought the "True Position " jig I had to re-do 19 doors because the cheap plastic jig had slipped. Inaccurate hole placement can be a nightmare for adjustable shelves too.  It sure has paid for itself over the years.

[Tom King]

Of all the adjustable shelves that have ever been built, I wonder what the percentage is that ever get adjusted after the first time.   I don't think I've ever known of anyone to move the shelves later.  In our house, I'm sure they haven't.

[wdwerker]

Except for tall bookcases I always make bookcases with adjustable shelves. Tall cases get at least 1 fixed shelf. All fixed shelves can be a nightmare to finish ! 

Yes, they  rarely get moved but most clients do some switching around to accommodate tall books and vases etc. Back when more people read I would make some riser boxes about 1/4" taller and deeper than a paperback. They let people put 2 rows of paperbacks on a shelf and the space would be similar to hardbacks.

[lighthearted]

On 1/8/2018 at 11:01 PM, wdwerker said:

I have used "The True Position  " hardware guide for over 25 years. I added the extension bars a year or so ago. Versital and accurate . It's even easy to drill for adjustable shelves inside an existing cabinet. Doing custom cabinets for a living means my jig gets used way more than most people ever use one. 

Thanks Steve-- I wasn't familiar with the True position.  Its a little more than I wanted to spend and perhaps more than I need --but it looks like one of the more accurate systems-- I can see why its lasted 25 years.

13 hours ago, Tom King said:

Of all the adjustable shelves that have ever been built, I wonder what the percentage is that ever get adjusted after the first time.   I don't think I've ever known of anyone to move the shelves later.  In our house, I'm sure they haven't.

well there is that...

[Tom King]

I have always built adjustable shelves too.   I was just wondering.  Back in the '70s, everything around here was with let in metal tracks, and the little metal clips.  I changed to the drilled holes in 1980.

[Immortan D]

More info on the True Position system Steve is talking about:

 

[lighthearted]

thanks eveyone for the feedback!  Much appreciated.  The True Position Jig arrives Friday!!!

[mat60]

I have a Delta line boring machine but there are many times I would like to have had the True Position jig also.

[wdwerker]

One trick with the jig. Use one of the drill bushing sections sa a spacer with a drill bit through it in the center hole when you are setting it up to drill for adjustable shelves.  The bushing sections are 32mm wide but the center of the "Tee" is about 25mm wide. Also be aware that using the stop on a bit when you drill that center hole will be a little bit deeper. I was drilling deep holes in 5/8 ply instead of 3/4 and drilled through.

I've got mine stored in a foam lined plastic pistol case like this.

http://www.basspro.com/shop/en/plano-protector-four-pistol-case

Being able to drill an existing cabinet with fixed shelves for an additional adjustable shelf is handy. One sheet of ply and the jig made me more money than I paid for the jig. I added extra shelves to a lady's kitchen and she was thrilled to have more space.