jmaichel Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I took advantage of the Bad Axe sale and picked up a 16" Tenon saw. This thing is a beast! I look forward to getting some use out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Nice looking saw James. How does a tenon saw differ from a dovetail saw, other than in size? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janello Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 I want one just to hang in a hand tool cabinet....because it looks Bad Axe! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 Congrats on the new toy James! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 So when do we see you cutting some Hawiian Koa with that Bad Axe ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 James, Great looking saw! How are you liking Hawaii? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaichel Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 So when do we see you cutting some Hawiian Koa with that Bad Axe ? Probably not any time soon Steve. Koa is $30 a BF. I will have to find a way to incorporate a little bit into a project some how but at that price probably not that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaichel Posted July 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 James, Great looking saw! How are you liking Hawaii? Hawaii is awesome! I feel like I am on vacation all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted July 9, 2015 Report Share Posted July 9, 2015 ==>How does a tenon saw differ from a dovetail saw, other than in size? Let's see.... Plate – tenon saws have a heaver plate for stability and heat dissipation. Plate under back – tenon saws have more plate under the back for obvious reasons. Tapered plates - Today, tapered plates are sexy. You see more tapered plates in dovetail and carcass saws; less once you get to sash and tenon saws – say 14-16”. You rarely see it after 16”. Hang - tends to be more hang in a dovetail saw. Handle – tends to be open for dovetail vs closed for tenon. Filing – both rip filed, but sash filing is becoming more popular for tenon saws and larger dovetailers. A tenon saw may have a bit more fleam. Some filers may also impart a bit of rake on tenon saws... Again, we are getting to personal taste. Also, hand filing imparts a bit of fleam and rake on every saw, so you never end-up with a ‘perfect’ filing job... Ppi – tenon saw has fewer tpi Gullets- tenon saw has deeper gullets. Back – tenon saw has a much heavier back. Weight – Many prefer a nimble dovetailer and a very heavy tenon saw – I happen to be one of them, so I use Gramergy’s dovetailer and a BadAxe tenon saw... When gang cutting, I like a heavy dovailtailer with a bit more fleam and rake, so I use a BadAxe with a heaver plate, back and more heft... There are about a dozen other differences, but they start to get esoteric... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaichel Posted July 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 ==>How does a tenon saw differ from a dovetail saw, other than in size? Let's see.... Plate – tenon saws have a heaver plate for stability and heat dissipation. Plate under back – tenon saws have more plate under the back for obvious reasons. Tapered plates - Today, tapered plates are sexy. You see more tapered plates in dovetail and carcass saws; less once you get to sash and tenon saws – say 14-16”. You rarely see it after 16”. Hang - more hang is a dovetail saw. Handle – open for dovetail vs closed for tenon. Filing – both rip filed, but sash filing is becoming more popular for tenon saws and larger dovetailers. A tenon saw may have a bit more fleam. Some filers may also impart a bit of rake on tenon saws... Again, we are getting to personal taste. Also, hand filing imparts a bit of fleam and rake on every saw, so you never end-up with a ‘perfect’ filing job... Ppi – tenon saw has fewer tpi Gullets- tenon saw has deeper gullets. Back – tenon saw has a much heavier back. Weight – Many prefer a nimble dovetailer and a very heavy tenon saw – I happen to be one of them, so I use Gramergy’s dovetailer and a BadAxe tenon saw... When gang cutting, I like a heavy dovailtailer with a bit more fleam and rake, so I use a BadAxe with a heaver plate, back and more heft... There are about a dozen other differences, but they start to get esoteric... Thanks for answering this Triple H. Actually to add to the confusion I got this saw filed Hybrid cut. "Simply put, hybrid-filing can be looked at as either A relaxed rip with bevel, or an aggressive x-cut with less bevel. The diagram on the right reflects the angles we use when customers order hybrid-cut." From the Bad Axe site. Mark explains it better than I ever could. Here is a link to the rest of that article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trip Posted July 10, 2015 Report Share Posted July 10, 2015 ==>I got this saw filed Hybrid cut Nothing wrong with sash filing on 14" and 16" backsaws -- got one myself... I've got one 14" in sash and one in rip and a 16" in sash. from 18" you're really better-off going rip -- unless it's a miterbox saw. The 14" rip is my tenon saw -- I rairly need 4" tenons, so it's pointless to have a dedeicated 16" tenon saw in my workflow. In fact, I doubt anyone needs a 16" dedicated tenon saw -- unless you've got a true neander workflow. So a sash-filed 16" is a great combo saw... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmaichel Posted July 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2015 ==>I got this saw filed Hybrid cut Nothing wrong with sash filing on 14" and 16" backsaws -- got one myself... I've got one 14" in sash and one in rip and a 16" in sash. from 18" you're really better-off going rip -- unless it's a miterbox saw. The 14" rip is my tenon saw -- I rairly need 4" tenons, so it's pointless to have a dedeicated 16" tenon saw in my workflow. In fact, I doubt anyone needs a 16" dedicated tenon saw -- unless you've got a true neander workflow. So a sash-filed 16" is a great combo saw... This was kind of my thinking as well. I have a 12" Tenon/DT saw filed hybrid and really I wanted something bigger and a little more aggressive. Going with a 14" sash really did not make as much sense as going with a 16". Although I may never need the full depth of the 16" saw, it is nice to know its there. I have no intentions of being a saw monger so I wanted to try to get the most bang for my buck without having to worry about getting another saw in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 12, 2015 Report Share Posted July 12, 2015 I'm not sure if I'm allowed to answer this thread being that it is Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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