Mcdavid Posted July 21, 2016 Report Share Posted July 21, 2016 Just starting with woodworking. Blessed with a whole workshop worth of tools from my father who's body unfortunately will not allow him to continue working. One of the few things not included though was a workbench. I have been doing a ton of studying over the past few months and decided on a roubo style bench made from kiln dried home center lumber. I know it sucks but all I can afford with a wife, a two year old and baby #2 due any day. Using all 2x6's and taking time to kill them down to 9/8 thick. All of work and a ton of dust to already fill a bag in my dust collector. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Thanks! Yeah I have loads of things on my list: side tables, small dresser, family projects, hand tool cabinet, lumber rack, etc. I definitely have had information overload with the four horsemen (Marc, Matt, Shannon, New Matt) so I have been trying to edit my own list and have realistic expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 I am planning on doing the top glue up today and I noticed on a few bench builds folks would connect all the top pieces with a carriage bolt or something of that fashion. Is that necessary when I have 5 in and 5 1/2 ft of long grain glue surface on each board? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtnwoodworker Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 No glue alone will be sufficient for the top. People typically use dominos or something similar to help with alignment of all the boards, but not necessarily for strength. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 44 minutes ago, Mcdavid said: I am planning on doing the top glue up today and I noticed on a few bench builds folks would connect all the top pieces with a carriage bolt or something of that fashion. Is that necessary when I have 5 in and 5 1/2 ft of long grain glue surface on each board? The dominos or biscuits are primarily used for alignment. The long grain glue joint is plenty strong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 Yeah you don't need any bolts. You might find that your top moves quite a bit for the first couple years because you're using box store lumber, and you might have to flatten it more often because of that, but it shouldn't delaminate as long as you mill the boards properly, glue and clamp properly, and do the glue up the same day you do the milling...if you let those boards sit around for a few days, they're gonna move again because they weren't dried the way real hardwood is. Either way...no bolts. That's something the old-timers did because they had crappy glue-ups with poorly milled material. They're superfluous if you do things the right way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Thanks for the advice. I am still in the process of laminating the top. Doing it sets of 3 due to limited clamps and glue time (Arizona heat). Also in between glue ups I am rough flattening each set just to save some work on the back end. Not caring too much about the whole length being flat mostly just the width trying to level all 3 edges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 The bolts are a way to deal with a limited clamp collection. Looks that isn't a problem for you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 Looking good man. Are you working from a set of plans? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Brendon_t said: Looking good man. Are you working from a set of plans? Thanks! Not working from a particular plan. Just been using various pictures online and videos from Shannon and Marc to build a sketch up. I will post later today when I get back to my computer. Right now I am planning out the steps after the top glue up. Right now the ends aren't square to each otherso now I'm thinking of using the chop saw to square each set on one side. I left plenty of length to accommodate for this. Then using a circular saw to square the whole bench on the same side. Next are the legs. Already milled most of the way. Left a few passes to accommodate for movement. Plan on each leg being a set of 3 with a mortise in the middle. The outside boards will be the whole height of the bench (probably a little longer then will sneak up after I connect them to the top) Both longer boards will be tenons with the front one being a sliding dovetail. I am leaving the top 3 boards short on both sides which will have the mortises for the legs. This allows me to ensure their thickness is the same as the legs and when I cuts the boards to match the leg tenons it should fit pretty snug. All that being said, still gluing up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 If you haven't yet, you should watch the video of david barron going through the sliding dt for the bench. I would also recommend buying the guild videos if you're going full roubo. Totally worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Watched Barron's video and this is just about what I will thinking outside of the wedges but they aren't a bad idea. Gluing up the legs right now and practicing the dovetail on a leg set that I accidentally glued up before doing its final dimension milling. I'm using a husky cross cut hand saw for this. Isn't working great but I am cleaning it up with a chisel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 I was also wondering if draw boarding the legs with 2-3 dowels would be a good idea for tightness and to prevent racking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 14 minutes ago, Mcdavid said: I was also wondering if draw boarding the legs with 2-3 dowels would be a good idea for tightness and to prevent racking. Yep.. You could probably get away without them with that design but, and ounce of prevention / pound of cure 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 11 hours ago, Mcdavid said: I was also wondering if draw boarding the legs with 2-3 dowels would be a good idea for tightness and to prevent racking. Draw boring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post drzaius Posted July 26, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 12 hours ago, Mcdavid said: I was also wondering if draw boarding the legs with 2-3 dowels would be a good idea for tightness and to prevent racking. Draw bore pins do a couple of things. They are a belt & suspenders back up in case the glue fails, & they pull the joint tightly together, minimizing the need for clamps. I like using them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Draw boring. He has been watching to many spy movies and confused water boarding with drawboring. Honest mistake, i mix them up all the time Water boarding Drawboring Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat60 Posted July 26, 2016 Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 Thanks for the info on draw boring..I thought it was used for looks also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Eric. said: Draw boring. Haha yeah I definitely thought about that late last night and didn't edit it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcdavid Posted July 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Another update: Done with one side of the mortises. Nice that each tenon can custom fit each mortise. The square tenons are a bit more than a slip fit and the dovetail is a bit loose. The draw "boring" (is it too soon to be considered an inside joke?) should tighten the dovetail or at least limit the effects of the gaps. Currently gluing up the other side. Thought I goofed by not thicknessing the leg boards and the top boards at the same time to enough congruent thickness. Luckily the leg boards were thinner already so I was able to sneak up on the fit using the power planet. on the bright side, I have gotten some new friends to help me out in the shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 So you live in like Venezuela or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Eric. said: So you live in like Venezuela or something? I've seen those in a few states.. CA, AZ, and TX for sure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 Thats a joke right? Those spiders aren't real? Please tell me those things aren't real !! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted July 28, 2016 Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 tarantula Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Just Bob Posted July 28, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted July 28, 2016 12 minutes ago, TIODS said: tarantula I was 8, found one by the trash can, I threw a brick at it, brick bounced off, pissed off the spider and I ran the other way. I am really glad I live where they dont. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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