Tom Cancelleri Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, TIODS said: Clearview will do the design for you - Yes, there's a fee. I don't think there's any inherent design issues with the layout of the pipe. They give you a "Typical Ductwork Layout" on the duct design portion of their site. In following all their basic tips, I would also put blast gates before the branches to be able to shut of sections of duct work. Tips to remember: Use as little flex hose as possible (3-4 feet), as it will reduce air flow. Avoid hard 90 degree turns. Instead, use two 45 degree angles or three 30 degree angles. Keep your duct runs as short as possible. Take advantage of blast gates in strategic areas to help control and maximize air flow. Use wye fittings and avoid tees. Use tapered reducers, when necessary. Ensure your system is airtight. Use hoods to help collect dust and debris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 I just like the fact that they'll maximize your possibilities. They're the experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, TIODS said: I just like the fact that they'll maximize your possibilities. They're the experts. True. There's a bunch of companies that will do this. There's a fairly local Nordfab dealer that will do it as well. If I were going Nordfab, I'd definitely go for it. I just can't justify almost 3k for ducting right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 The design service isn't that expensive.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted March 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Needs a little more, and some refinement. 3Skeng is a pretty awesome addon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Still needs tweaking, but it gives me a start at the components necessary to pipe it, including pipe lengths. Things not in the model would be the blast gates and flex hoses connecting to the machines. My plan is to put blast gates at every branch to be able to shut off things like the big band saw and drill press branch when I'm not doing those kinds of operations, and being able to open only the branch for the jointer and planer when I'm only doing milling. This will help reduce static pressure. My only real concern right now is the main branch being the branch on 2 45s right out of the cyclone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee-dub Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 I would rotate the cone to aim your inlet more directly at your longer/higher quantity runs. That near-immediate right turn (although gradual) could be avoided. JMHO . Don't get me wrong. I have made concessions in my ducting as well but, have also re-done areas to remove turns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 42 minutes ago, gee-dub said: I would rotate the cone to aim your inlet more directly at your longer/higher quantity runs. That near-immediate right turn (although gradual) could be avoided. JMHO . Don't get me wrong. I have made concessions in my ducting as well but, have also re-done areas to remove turns. I'm trying to convince myself to disassemble the cyclone and change the inlet location to point straight out, still gonna need to put a branch as the first piece to get to the other bandsaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 37 minutes ago, Tom Cancelleri said: I'm trying to convince myself to disassemble the cyclone and change the inlet location to point straight out, still gonna need to put a branch as the first piece to get to the other bandsaw +1 to rotating it. I think it makes more sense, though will be more work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, gee-dub said: I would rotate the cone to aim your inlet more directly at your longer/higher quantity runs. That near-immediate right turn (although gradual) could be avoided. JMHO . Don't get me wrong. I have made concessions in my ducting as well but, have also re-done areas to remove turns. I'm trying to convince myself to disassemble the cyclone and change the inlet location to point straight out, still gonna need to put a branch as the first piece to get to the other bandsaw The problem is, I have to put bends going upwards to raise the main trunk otherwise I'd be hitting my head on the trunk line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Just my opinion but it sounds like it would be worth it. That immediate turn looks nasty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Tom I have a bend coming into my cyclone for the same reason never been an issue. I should point out my main line is 8" pipe though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 46 minutes ago, pkinneb said: Tom I have a bend coming into my cyclone for the same reason never been an issue. I should point out my main line is 8" pipe though. Thanks for the info. What kind kind of cyclone are you running? HP? While we're at it, what gauge pipe is that? Looks like HVAC pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Sure. Onieda 3hp Super Dust Gorilla and the pipe is 24ga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 I think Oneida recommends a minimum of 4' straight pipe from the inlet. I only have about 2' and mine works great. Just do your best to have as much straight as you can before you turn. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 15 minutes ago, shaneymack said: I think Oneida recommends a minimum of 4' straight pipe from the inlet. I only have about 2' and mine works great. Just do your best to have as much straight as you can before you turn. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk hmm well apparently they diverted from that for my application given the fact that I implemented their design for my shop. Having said that 10 years and counting with no issues :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 I think Oneida recommends a minimum of 4' straight pipe from the inlet. I only have about 2' and mine works great. Just do your best to have as much straight as you can before you turn. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk hmm well apparently they diverted from that for my application given the fact that I implemented their design for my shop. Having said that 10 years and counting with no issues . Well it's not surprising we got conflicting info from them, they had the worst customer service out of all the tool companies I've dealt with. Girl I dealt with was pretty lost so i guess take what i said with a grain of salt. Although it does kinda make sense to me to start with a few feet of straight pipe, mine is not like that and it works great. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janello Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Tom, I would probably put the intake at a 45 deg. angle toward the bandsaw. Run laterals from that trunk, most branches will just need wye's to hit a center. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Jointer moved... lathe moved, but needs to be put in place. Heavy heavy heavy. All the tools with no wheels were moved today. Looks like a lot of opportunity for storage. Sent from my 831C using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Looking clean and tidy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Did a bit more yesterday. Finally found a spot for my Incra miter 5000 sled. ClearVue wiring Sent from my 831C using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Yo T, what are you planning to do for the lathe DC? I see you put a drop there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 45 minutes ago, Eric. said: Yo T, what are you planning to do for the lathe DC? I see you put a drop there... I've thought pretty hard about this one. I have a dust hood that can be mounted on pretty much anything. I use is mostly when sanding on the lathe. I plan on having that and a floor sweep for the lathe with 2 blast gates, one at each collection point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Looking good buddy. You must be getting anxious to start cutting some wood ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Looking good buddy. You must be getting anxious to start cutting some wood ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 31 minutes ago, shaneymack said: Looking good buddy. You must be getting anxious to start cutting some wood ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Looking good buddy. You must be getting anxious to start cutting some wood ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk I made a rule. No cutting wood until I paint the ceiling. In other news, I think the layout is gonna work really well. Things are really starting to fall into place, and moving around the shop is much better without the jointer behind the Roubo. Tonight I'm gonna try to move the planer into position and get the table saw and Roubo switched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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