Tobykanobe Posted January 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 Got a returned one off Amazon for $5.84 to my door! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minnesota Steve Posted January 31, 2020 Report Share Posted January 31, 2020 Yeah, the fan housing on the HF dust collector is definitely a 5" port, same as the output hose that goes up to the bag holder thingy. The 5" to 4" PVC adapter will probably work. Keep in mind that the OD of 4" PVC is actually 4.5", and 5" PVC is like 5.5" so it's going to run a bit larger, but it is likely flexible enough you can clamp it down hard to fit. I used one of these on my dust deputy which has a 2" OD port and it was flexible enough to clamp it down... https://www.rockler.com/rockler-2-1-2-to-2-1-4-conversion-port Worse case, you take some gorilla tape and wrap a couple layers around the port to make it thicker so the rubber PVC fitting fits better. :-) I don't think you can beat $6... but one more suggestion... that might work, but it's a leap of faith. https://www.woodcraft.com/products/oneida-air-systems-metal-straight-5in-to-4in-reducer-dust-fitting They state it's designed to fit over the 5" port of the super dust deputy to use a 4" hose... so in theory... and it's metal so with the proper hammer it might fit. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted February 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 Well. damn it. That $6 Amazon adapter is way to large on both sides, even when compressed. So the work around was to use a short length of the flexible 4" to make the transition. By the time I hooked up one port to my table saw, the second port to the miter saw wall, and the third to FastCaps shop vac reel/hose, I realized that I need a larger DC. The suction is mediocre. Just enough to suck up, but not enough to raise my eyebrows. It will do for now, but I'll need something larger soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Minnesota Steve Posted February 7, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, Tobykanobe said: Well. damn it. That $6 Amazon adapter is way to large on both sides, even when compressed. So the work around was to use a short length of the flexible 4" to make the transition. By the time I hooked up one port to my table saw, the second port to the miter saw wall, and the third to FastCaps shop vac reel/hose, I realized that I need a larger DC. The suction is mediocre. Just enough to suck up, but not enough to raise my eyebrows. It will do for now, but I'll need something larger soon. You're going to need gates to close off lines, so only one is in use at a time. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted February 7, 2020 Report Share Posted February 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Minnesota Steve said: You're going to need gates to close off lines, so only one is in use at a time. This will help immensely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted February 8, 2020 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2020 I do have 3 blast gates. May need one for the table saw line. The other miter saw run wasn’t even hooked up yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 I want to upgrade my dust collection system and could use some interpretation on what is best and maybe some of you have each product or maybe have owned both for some reason. My budget is 4k, but I would like to be lower as I'll need to buy some 6" pipe and fittings. I plan on running 6" from the machine throughout the shop and maybe reduce to 4" and sometimes 2" depending on the machine. An Avid CNC is in my future as well. Other than that, I have a PM table saw, a router table, a Festool Kapex miter saw station, a Dewalt planer, and one of those hose reels from FastCap. The contenders are ClearVure's Pentz EF5 with Filters - single phase or something similar by Oneida. I'll take other recommendations in the same price range, but those are the ones I'm looking at. I'm upgrading from the HF dust collector. Thank ahead of time for your input. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoak Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 inch hose is for shop vacs/ extractors - not your central DC system . Exceptions are TS over-arm port , router table fence only , possibly under the bandsaw table . Do some research on DC vs. Extraction from small tools , there are differences . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 I have been happy with my Oneida Dust gorilla 3 hp unit for many years now. My main trunk is 8" then drops to 6" and 4" depending on the tool. I do have several 2" hoses throughout the shop but all are connected to 4" pipe. I have to long 2" hoses one 16' and one 30' with these I can reach all corners of the shop and while they don't work as well as a shop vac they work well enough to clean the shop of dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 I think CV has edged out Oneida in price lately. I have a 3 hp Oneida as well and it works great. I didn't want 5hp because then I'd have to run a 40amp circuit and larger cable. Skip the EF5, it's 100% the 1800 with metal instead of plastic. Metal is really unnecessary, and if your putting it together solo is a LOT heavier. A LOT of people used the plastic CVs with zero issues. Depending on where you live if you can easily get 6" SDR34 PVC ducting becomes a lot cheaper and is just as good as metal (maybe better opinion). I ran my whole shop with 6" SDR35 and it works great. I can run 2 tools at once easily. 3 tools at once is iffy and i have only been able to successfully clone myself once. Run blast gates at each tool. The self cleaning ones from lee valley are very good and very affordable (aka cheaper than the competition but better imo). I also agree to avoid 2" on a shop DC it just doesn't work as well as a dedicated extractor would. I have a dedicated extractor for my miter saw and one dedicated to bench work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted September 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 Anyone aware of a 90 degree, 4" elbow that is long, like what NordFab has so that the CFM-decreasing 90 can be mitigated? I'm building a system with 4" sewer pipe using ClearVue Cyclone's Pentz EF5. PVC or similar preferred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 Not sure about sewer pipe, but pvc conduit in that configuration is called a 'sweeping' 90. Or you can soften it with a heat gun and bending it yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 If you do need to bend it yourself with a heat gun, be prepared for a challenge. Pipe of that diameter & thin wall will want to kink in the worst way. If you have no forms or bending springs, then packing it with sand & capping the ends will keep it from collapsing. Go real easy with the heat so you don't scorch it or melt through it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted September 25, 2020 Report Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Tobykanobe said: Anyone aware of a 90 degree, 4" elbow that is long Use two 22.5 degree elbows with about a 3 or 4 inch piece of pipe between them, this will give you a nice sweep to your turn. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted September 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 Good ideas all. Will probably put Chet's idea into the plan. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 Two 22.5* elbows will only get you to 45*, but you get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 I'd like to see a measured comparison between a long sweep 90 vs 2 45s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 My guess is the long sweep 90 would have less resistance than two 45's which would be less than a short sweep 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 Just need the right search terms...which were given here. “Long sweep” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted September 26, 2020 Report Share Posted September 26, 2020 2 hours ago, Mark J said: My guess is the long sweep 90 would have less resistance than two 45's which would be less than a short sweep 90. I'm pretty sure that would be the result, but I'm curious as to just how much of a difference it would make. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted November 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 Ok guys, my DC is coming together, but I still need help. To update you, I have installed the ClearVue Pentz EF5. I warmed it up this morning and by god it worked. As part of the purchase, ClearVue offered a ducting plan based on a worksheet I supplied them. It took them over a week to produce and they gave me a hand drawn sketch of their recommendation. I'll be honest, after spending almost 4k on their system, I was a little disappointed in this sketch. See the attached PDF below. So, that set aside, I need some input on ducting. I had planned on using 4" sewer pipe, but I'm open to 6" if you want to convince me of that. My main issue right now is transitioning from the fitting in the picture to something that will receive the sewer pipe. I could use a recommendation on that. The dust collector is in the position ClearVue recommended in the sketch. New layout .pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 If the bell end fits over the reducer you could heat it up and use a wratchet strap to form it to a perfect fit. A heat gun should be enough to make PVC plyable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drzaius Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Tobykanobe said: had planned on using 4" sewer pipe, but I'm open to 6" 4" is way small for a 5 HP collector. 6" would be a minimum, with 7" or 8" preferable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobykanobe Posted November 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 So what are my options for using 6”. I’m trying to keep it to sewer pipe for cost reasons. I don’t think they have thin walled 6” sewer pipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, drzaius said: 4" is way small for a 5 HP collector. 6" would be a minimum, with 7" or 8" preferable. I agree. My main run is 8" on my 3HP Oneida Dust Gorilla, with 6" off of that main line and 4" only at the very end connecting to a couple tools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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