Popular Post Chestnut Posted November 21, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 21, 2019 So I'm running a bit late for something of this size, but here goes nothing. My mom informed me that a great Christmas gift for my sister would be a new dining table. My sister's kitchen is very small and is dominated by a 78" x 44" monster dining table that they were able to get for free. My sister apparently has wanted to ask me to make something for a long while but reportedly was always too sheepish to ask. The table area in their kitchen is around 9' x 6' but also includes the main walkway from their primary exterior door and the rest of the house. So my mom did the leg work got me to agree to the table and helped my sister get dimensions. The big thing wanted is a table around the size of 48" x 32". This should be a good sized table for the family of 4. The above is my idea that she thought looked nice. So I'm going to move forward with this plan. I haven't decided If I'm goign to do half laps or bridle joints for the legs or just do regular M&T. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 I think M&T will look good. Will there be a cross member between trestles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 7 hours ago, Chestnut said: So I'm running a bit late for something of this size, but here goes nothing. My mom informed me that a great Christmas gift for my sister would be a new dining table. My sister's kitchen is very small and is dominated by a 78" x 44" monster dining table that they were able to get for free. My sister apparently has wanted to ask me to make something for a long while but reportedly was always too sheepish to ask. The table area in their kitchen is around 9' x 6' but also includes the main walkway from their primary exterior door and the rest of the house. So my mom did the leg work got me to agree to the table and helped my sister get dimensions. The big thing wanted is a table around the size of 48" x 32". This should be a good sized table for the family of 4. The above is my idea that she thought looked nice. So I'm going to move forward with this plan. I haven't decided If I'm goign to do half laps or bridle joints for the legs or just do regular M&T. Question regards the intersection of the legs or the attachment of the legs at the base ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronn W Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 How thick are the legs? Looks like a job for domino man. Especially if the les are thicker than 3/4" (double dominos.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 With the style of table you have there half lap with contrasting pins, maybe 3/8 dia. in size would look nice... I think... yea I am pretty sure it would look good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 22, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 12 hours ago, wtnhighlander said: I think M&T will look good. Will there be a cross member between trestles? Yes there will be. 10 hours ago, K Cooper said: Question regards the intersection of the legs or the attachment of the legs at the base ? Attachment of the legs at the base and top. 9 hours ago, Ronn W said: How thick are the legs? Looks like a job for domino man. Especially if the les are thicker than 3/4" (double dominos.) Probably shoot for 1.5-2". I have no hard and fast plans on this. I was thinking 2 wide floating tenons. I have some pre-made stock that is near 2" wide. 8 hours ago, Chet said: With the style of table you have there half lap with contrasting pins, maybe 3/8 dia. in size would look nice... I think... yea I am pretty sure it would look good. I think so too... the angled half laps are giving me pause though. Not an easy thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 So this is instead of, or during, Megan's dining room chair build and your Rubo? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 22, 2019 Report Share Posted November 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Chestnut said: I think so too... the angled half laps are giving me pause though. Not an easy thing to do. I would probably make a router jig for most of the work and sneak up to my lines and final fit with a chisel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 9 hours ago, Mark J said: So this is instead of, or during, Megan's dining room chair build and your Rubo? No problem for Drew....there's a long weekend coming up! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said: No problem for Drew....there's a long weekend coming up! 9 hours ago, Mark J said: So this is instead of, or during, Megan's dining room chair build and your Rubo? I'm struggling on the chairs. I don't know why but i just can't get into them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 Struggling to find interest in making the same thing over and over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 23, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 1 hour ago, wtnhighlander said: Struggling to find interest in making the same thing over and over? My confidence inn sculpting the seats is low. I have some of the routing jigs done just need to make another prototype. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlyoak Posted November 23, 2019 Report Share Posted November 23, 2019 I am trying to visualize 4 chairs on that table. Could you provide a top view without the top or transparent top and include chairs? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted November 25, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 Got the material for the table legs rough cut. Finished thickness was between 3/4" and 1/2". Instead of taking everything to the same thickness I pulled boards as they became clean. This allowed me to keep some thickness and mix and match boards to get around the same dimensions for everything. I know I'll have to joint and further clean up these glued up boards so i wanted to keep as much thickness as i could. I made sure none of the boards were drastically different so it'll be hard to see the varying thicknesses. Glue up was easy but used a LOT of clamps. I almost emptied my 12" and 6" clamp racks, there were only a few 12" LD jorgs left. I don't grab them much any more these mastercrap eer masterforce clamps are awesome not even considering their price. If you don't live within driving distance it's the one product offered my Menards that may be worth paying shipping for. On sale they get down to $8. I also used every 24" jorg clamp I had. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 "mastercrap eer masterforce" Wait, I thought it was Masterfarce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 25, 2019 Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Chestnut said: If you don't live within driving distance it's the one product offered at Menards that may be worth paying shipping for. On sale they get down to $8. I bought 14 at $9 and the shipping was only $30, which isn't to bad then you consider the weight of 14 clamps. They were shipped from the closest store to me which was four states away in Wyoming. I have some Bessy's and you can see the differences but the differences aren't worth the difference in price AND I wish the Bessy handles were like the ones on the Masterforce, I think that part is actually superior to Bessy. Down side, the plastic pads come off to easily, I think I am going to replace them all with leather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 25, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, Chet said: Down side, the plastic pads come off to easily, I think I am going to replace them all with leather. Yeah the plastic pads are a complete joke. I tear them off from day 1 and use the clamps naked. I use cauls or other clamps if i need to clamp on finished pieces. That said mine don't mark the surface much, I never really tighten these all that much If i don't need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 Are the jaws non-metallic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted November 26, 2019 Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 43 minutes ago, K Cooper said: Are the jaws non-metallic? No they are metal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coop Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 9 hours ago, Chestnut said: I tear them off from day 1 and use the clamps naked. I can see where this would be a safety issue. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted November 26, 2019 Author Report Share Posted November 26, 2019 10 hours ago, K Cooper said: I can see where this would be a safety issue. Your lucky i wasn't drinking coffee. I'd have sent you the bill for a screen cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted December 2, 2019 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 Been working on this one slowly and steadily over the last couple weeks. I cut a bunch of material to rough length and width to make 3 ply parts for the trestles. I'm not measuring how much wood I'm using I'm just kinda guessing. The route that i'm planning on going will be a bit more wasteful but I think the result is going to look somewhat nicer. Got all of the parts matched and made sure the defects were towards the inside. Using 3 plys allows a lot of the bad material to be used for the center ply as long as you make sure to account for the fact that some cutting and shaping will be done. I put a lot of bad looking knots towards the middle which is nice. I used a good 75% of my clamps here. I utilized some of the offcuts from making the table trestle legs to glue up the legs for the benches. I figured I'd get 1.5" x 3" blanks to do some sore of MCM taper for the bench legs to make an attempt to match the style for the trestle. I have an idea but I don't have it on paper so you'll have to follow along to see the end of that one. I ganged all the legs together and glued them up in 1 batch. Made things nice. I brought this wood in my shop November 24th. Which happened to be the same day that I found the rotten wood on my shop window. The wood came in my shop 7 days ago at 20% MC according to my pinless meter. Today it measured 12-13%. EMC in my shop for this wood is 10-11% so it dropped the moisture fast which is surprising for air dried lumber. This air dried paper birch is a dream to work. With handtools it works similar to KD walnut except is nicer in some ways. I"m really enjoying this wood a lot. I"m glad i have another 200 BF in my shed . To make the trestle legs i figured it was easier to make 2 blocks and then glue them together up the center. This allows me to make a really easy but perfect through mortise for the stretcher. If you look close you can see the design drawn out to be cut on the band saw. After I cut the first side out I cleaned up all the sides with a combination of my #4, a spoke shave, a card scraper, and a wide chisel. The chisel allowed me to keep the hard inside corner instead of letting it get rounded. I then used the completed side to trace the outline on the other 3 parts. These are very thick so template routing would be tricky and I HATE template routing. Hand tools have MUCH less pucker factor. The top and bottom parts of the trestle were shapped the same way but took a lot less effort as the bends were a lot less harsh. Using strait square blocks allowed the joinery to take place on square faces. This way I didn't have to fuss with odd angles or what not. Where the joinery goes everything is strait and square. Easy peasy. Joinery is going to be floating mortise and tenon. I"m using 1.5" wide tenon stock with ~1" deep mortises. I will be double stacking these on each "leg" So there will be 8 tenons per side. I used my favorite mortise machine and plunged twice side by side to get a 1.75" wide mortise. I made it a bit over sized to make sure that i had some wiggle room while I'm gluing up. I could use the store purchased stock but i honestly don't think the glue bond is as good. I'm leery of all the stuff they stamp in the surface i honestly think that it reduces the effective glue area. Personal opinion backed up by zero evidence. Beings that the stock is scraps that was in the burn pile the floating tenon stock is free so that's probably where my bias comes in. Next up is the stretcher and see how the bench legs shape up. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 I like how this is shaping up! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted December 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, wtnhighlander said: I like how this is shaping up! Thanks. I'm glad that my sister just gave me dimensions and let me go. She approved the over all design but beings that she knows what her Christmas gift will be the surprise will be the end result. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted December 2, 2019 Report Share Posted December 2, 2019 48 minutes ago, Chestnut said: I have an idea but I don't have it on paper I always marvel that you can build this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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