Mark J Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 If you're like me and have no idea what anyone is talking about when the subject of Osmo, Rubio and other "hard wax oils" comes up Marc has an interesting video on Rubio. But it's a bit confusing. When you say oil and wax to me I think mineral oil and bees wax, ala Howard's Butcher Block Conditioner. I gather from the Marc's discussion that this is a curing oil, like Tung? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted April 22, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 I have no experience with Rubio specifically, but have used Osmo and Livos Kunos extensively over the past 3 or 4 years. I love it. It's now my favorite go-to finish (Osmo Polyx). It seems expensive at first glance, but a tiny bit goes a long way. I used Osmo on our kitchen cabinet remodel, Morris chair, Roorkee chair and on my desk over Arm-R-Seal which was dulling on the western sun exposure. Osmo brought it back and is wearing much better. It's resistant to red wine stains, unlike the ARS. I'm using it on the coffee table I'm making now. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted April 22, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 Is it made from a curing oil like BLO or tung oil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, Mark J said: Is it made from a curing oil like BLO or tung oil? Don't know. Label just says plant-based oils and waxes. It definitely does cure - one of the primary applications is as a floor finish. It's food safe, once cured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 Osmo for life 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted April 23, 2020 Report Share Posted April 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Llama said: Osmo for life Is it long term more durable than poly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 According to Marc, no, but it's much easier to repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewisc Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Chestnut said: Is it long term more durable than poly? I've had it on our dining table and my desk for just over 2 years. The dining table has a bunch of small scratches (that were hard to photograph) on it but my wife uses the surface for sewing. My desk has a bit of wear around where the mouse is but that's it. The 2 best things I like about it are the ease of application and the way it feels. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Mark J said: According to Marc, no, but it's much easier to repair. I still don't understand that and i've asked multiple times. I don't find poly difficult to repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted April 24, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Chestnut said: I still don't understand that and i've asked multiple times. I don't find poly difficult to repair. With Osmo you just clean the surface and reapply a new coat or coats. Blends right in. Unlike lacquer, poly doesn't melt into the underlying layer and blend in, but just sits on top, so getting it to match the surrounding area is trickier. Any irregularity has to be removed before reapplying. I'm like Mel, Osmo for life. What I haven't seen mentioned in this thread is the difference in the appearance of Osmo (or other hardwax oils) and varnish finishes. What it does to the wood is best described as lustrous. As Lewisc mentioned above, the way it feels will make you smile. My desk is a great case in point. It's just inside a large window that faces west and has no window covering. I used ARS originally and when the sun was setting (low, raking light) you could see every streak, every irregularity in the surface of the highly figured walnut, despite me having tried to buff it out more than once. I went over it with Osmo and the difference is amazing. When the sun sets you can see nothing but gorgeous figure and color variations. Is it as durable as poly? No, but it's as easy to repair as putting some on a white abrasive pad (Scotchbrite) and wiping it down. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JohnG Posted April 24, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Well @Mick S, if it’ll make my projects look like yours I’m in! Just ordered some polyx to try out. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Maybe i have good luck with the poly I use and act quickly to any defects. I've never had the uneven problem you described on touch ups and i never have streaks or application marks. maybe my good experiences with poly are why it's hard for me to understand this? It's just hard for me to justify moving to a more expensive finish that is less durable when I'm not seeing the commonly discussed drawbacks to traditional poly. I do wish there was a small trial bottle one could buy to test the finish, i really do want to try the finish. It's not that i doubt the claims but there is a cost and risk and it's hard to jump when there is little motivation and a large obstacle in the way (price). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 I will also say that I’ve only had great results from ARS, and I may just be lucky in that regard. Applying it has always gone well and it’s held up to everything my kids and I have thrown at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 @Mick S, how did you apply it over polyurethane? According to Marc the liquid is supposed to absorb into the wood fibers which would be hindered by a coat of PU. I'm wondering if the improved appearance you obtained might be the same effect as you would get with furniture wax? But then the oil does cure. Which the begs the question why not put down PU and a final coat of hard wax oil? In any case I think this kind of stuff might be worth trying on a turned object. After all I like luster. But I'd want at least a satin sheen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Chestnut said: It's not that i doubt the claims but there is a cost and risk and it's hard to jump when there is little motivation and a large obstacle in the way (price). The upfront cost seems high, but here's my experience: I bought a 3 liter can to use on our newly remodeled kitchen cabinets, 15 doors and 12 drawers as well as the exposed ends and face frames, 3 - 4 coats on all of it. With what was left I gave about a pint to my buddy Carl to try, put 4 coats on the Morris chair, same on the Roorkee, coated the desk, a small hall table, several boxes, a bowfront medicine cabinet, a queen size Murphy bed with built in cabinets and still have about ⅔ of a liter. I can understand your hesitancy if you're satisfied with the poly you're using, but I just have not had your experience, primarily with ARS. 2 hours ago, Mark J said: @Mick S, how did you apply it over polyurethane? With a white Scotchbrite pad, just as I do with any other project. I tested it on a small inconspicuous area first. I suspect you're right that it acts more like a wax over the poly, but it made a huge difference. I have not put it over poly any other time and see no need to at all. 2 hours ago, Mark J said: In any case I think this kind of stuff might be worth trying on a turned object. After all I like luster. But I'd want at least a satin sheen. My turning instructor, Laura Yeats, uses it all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted April 24, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 So what's the sheen like? And what's the difference between Osmo and Rubio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Beasley Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 Osmo buffs up with a satin sheen, add more laters and buff more and you get a little more shine. Easy stuff to work with, buff it before it dries good or itll show streaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewisc Posted April 24, 2020 Report Share Posted April 24, 2020 The lighting is a bit different but this just applied and a couple of years later. I like the satin finish. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 I don't know how to do color correction on an iPhone, but this gives a decent representation of the sheen with the small reflections of the corner of the modem and the phone. It's much yellower than the real tones in this photo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnG Posted April 25, 2020 Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 1 hour ago, lewisc said: The lighting is a bit different but this just applied and a couple of years later. I like the satin finish. Quick color adjustment on my phone, just for the sake of it. Sheen doesn’t change, but I think it’s a bit easier to compare this way. Hope you don’t mind. I ordered the satin. After I’ve used it I’ll give a comparison to ARS. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted April 25, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 Are these examples all Osmo? Anyone use the Rubio? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mick S Posted April 25, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 25, 2020 I have not, but I have used Livos Kunos - similar product on sapele. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted April 26, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 This was an interesting video. His accent and editing make it a little work to follow. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Ds9ggA1JvjrE&ved=2ahUKEwjY_vSW34PpAhUSWs0KHbN_CbEQwqsBMAB6BAgFEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2-eyIuMIfclSBE5A-fRRqt&cshid=1587859636984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick S Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 Good review. Pretty much my experience with the Polyx right down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted April 26, 2020 Report Share Posted April 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Mark J said: This was an interesting video. His accent and editing make it a little wotk to follow. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Ds9ggA1JvjrE&ved=2ahUKEwjY_vSW34PpAhUSWs0KHbN_CbEQwqsBMAB6BAgFEAQ&usg=AOvVaw2-eyIuMIfclSBE5A-fRRqt&cshid=1587859636984 About 2:48 I was about 7 sentences behind due to the accent. I’ll continue to search. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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