bleedinblue Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 For those without a cyclone, what kind of separator do you use with your dust collectors? Is a shop made Thien separator as effective as a Super Dust Deputy, or is the SDD efficient enough to justify the cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elroy Skimms Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I have tried a Dust Deputy and a home-built vortex thing-a-ma-jig. I run the Dust Deputy on my CNC machine cutting MDF, which generates nothing but really fine dust. A year ago I put a vacuum bag and HEPA filter on my shop vac after the Dust Deputy. I've dumped well over 200 gallons of dust from the Deputy and the vacuum bag is still not even half full. It's an amazing contraption and I regret not getting one sooner. My home-built thing is crap and a waste of time. -E 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Cancelleri Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 Dust Deputy is more effective than a Thein Baffle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davestanton Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I have super dust deputy on my large system and the little dust deputy on my shop vac system. Both cost more than I wanted to spend but no regrets what so ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted October 12, 2016 Report Share Posted October 12, 2016 I've used both a home made Thein Baffle and a regular dust deputy with a shop vac. I had to bang the filter out more often with the DD then the thein baffle but i personally don't think that the DD diameter is large enough for the vac i was using. Also the head loss was greater on the DD which reinforces the vac being too large. I should probably run 2 in parallel but i only have 1 35 gallon drum. I tihnk the other factors in sizing a cyclone style separator play more then the type. If sized the same a true cyclone would be better. It would be interesting to see a cyclone with a thein baffle inside it to stop some of the updraft in the middle of the cyclone. wonder if that would work ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I'm also considering a cyclone from that guy who makes them in steel, East Caroga Cyclones. Anyone have any experience with these? The price is about a wash with the SDD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I talked to the guy from East Caroga. He claims his is more of a true cyclone and it separates more fine dust than the SDD. I don't know if that's true, but he has answered emails very very quickly, a sign of great customer support. I think I'll give it a shot. It's taller so that'll make for a more challenging install/design, but I'm sure it can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 Being taller should help it function better as a cyclone. I hadn't seen this company before. The price is quite good. The 4" inlet and outlet are a better match for my set up too. I consider this as an addition/modification to my current bucket set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 for those running SDD ... what container do you connect them to? Do you use the 18 Gal? ( I think is what the try to sell with it) Or have you modified something else to work with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, bleedinblue said: I talked to the guy from East Caroga. He claims his is more of a true cyclone and it separates more fine dust than the SDD. I don't know if that's true, but he has answered emails very very quickly, a sign of great customer support. I think I'll give it a shot. It's taller so that'll make for a more challenging install/design, but I'm sure it can be done. Post a review I'd add one to my HF DC to make it a portable cyclone. I'm not in the market now but could be in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elroy Skimms Posted October 25, 2016 Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 12 hours ago, bleedinblue said: I'm also considering a cyclone from that guy who makes them in steel, East Caroga Cyclones. I'm curious how the SDD and this steel design compare with regard to sound. I wonder if the steel version sounds like banging the sides of a steel drum anytime something large gets pulled in? -E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted October 25, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2016 I'll do a review. It will be a bit by the time I get everything together though. I just ordered the cyclone and the Wynn. I figure if the steel is loud, I'll wrap it in something to muffle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 7 hours ago, bushwacked said: for those running SDD ... what container do you connect them to? Do you use the 18 Gal? ( I think is what the try to sell with it) Or have you modified something else to work with it? I bought a 55-gallon fiber drum from mcmaster-carr - I think it was around $95 including shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonPacific Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 10 hours ago, bushwacked said: for those running SDD ... what container do you connect them to? Do you use the 18 Gal? ( I think is what the try to sell with it) Or have you modified something else to work with it? I use a 32 gal Brute trashcan. The lid doesn't seal perfectly, but a line if weatherstripping fixes that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I bought a 55-gallon fiber drum from mcmaster-carr - I think it was around $95 including shipping. Something like that? Just cut out a hole in the top? I use a 32 gal Brute trashcan. The lid doesn't seal perfectly, but a line if weatherstripping fixes that. Ya I think the 32 gal is a good size for filling up and still being able to lift and empty it without being a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 Just now, bushwacked said: Ya I think the 32 gal is a good size for filling up and still being able to lift and empty it without being a pain. My thoughts also. I'll be ordering a 35 gallon blue drum with the handles when I'm ready for a second stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted October 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 My brother in law is snagging me a 55 gallon plastic barrel from his work. Bigger than I'd prefer, but it's free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 I went for this 30 gallon from Amazon for $45. https://www.amazon.com/Eagle-1601MB-Polyethylene-Lever-lock-Capacity/dp/B0025QI4XC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1477451069&sr=8-3&keywords=Blue+drum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 My thoughts also. I'll be ordering a 35 gallon blue drum with the handles when I'm ready for a second stage. I've never seen one with handles .... that would be great! I went for this 30 gallon from Amazon for $45. https://www.amazon.com/Eagle-1601MB-Polyethylene-Lever-lock-Capacity/dp/B0025QI4XC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1477451069&sr=8-3&keywords=Blue+drum So do you just cut out the top circle to mount the SDD to it and you are good to go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pwk5017 Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 My grizzly cyclone has a 35 gallon drum under it, and i dont know if i would enjoy routinely lifting a 55 gallon drum of fine sawdust. Planer/jointer shavings are mostly air, but 35 gallons of sanding/table saw dust can weigh a ton. I think next shop will have an external cyclone with a dumpster under it. Emptying the bin is such a royal pain in the rump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonPacific Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 5 hours ago, bushwacked said: So do you just cut out the top circle to mount the SDD to it and you are good to go? You'll wan't a flange of some sort to attach a hose between the SDD and the drum, you need a strong support for the cyclone, and to be able to remove the drum easily. I used a short run of 5" flex hose, and I cannibalized a plastic blast gate, which you can pop apart into a pair of 5" flanges. One got screwed to the underside of the plywood mount for the SDD (just like Ty Moser/Monoloco) and the other got glued to the top of the drum/can lid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaac Posted October 26, 2016 Report Share Posted October 26, 2016 14 hours ago, bushwacked said: I've never seen one with handles .... that would be great! So do you just cut out the top circle to mount the SDD to it and you are good to go? I Don't have the SSD, but the lid is quite strong, I think it may be adequate to support the SSD directly like that, though you could reinforce it further to be sure. It is stronger/thicker material than a regular bucket lid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Posted October 27, 2016 Report Share Posted October 27, 2016 22 hours ago, bushwacked said: Something like that? Just cut out a hole in the top? Ya I think the 32 gal is a good size for filling up and still being able to lift and empty it without being a pain. Pretty much exactly that but they weren't on amazon when I bought. I cut the hole with jigsaw. I use a bag with it.. kind of a pain and the bag usually rips. So I switched to no bag. It's really not that bad to lift and dump out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted October 28, 2016 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 I got the cyclone. It seems pretty solid. I'm no welder but the welds seem a little sloppy. Airtight and solid though, this isn't going on a 32 Ford, so who cares. I'm beginning to think the 55 gallon drum is going to be too tall by the time I put the cyclone and DC motor on top of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted October 28, 2016 Report Share Posted October 28, 2016 Which size is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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