Spiral Pattern Bit


Idaho Andy

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I'm looking at upgrading to a Whiteside Spiral Pattern BIt and choked a bit when I saw the price of $164...   not a huge issue, but I figured with all the collective experience in the forum, I'd ask if there were other options that might be worth considering.  The bit I'm looking at is a compression spiral, 7/8 dia and 1 1/8 deep.  With the bearing on the bottom(in a table) my thought was I could run the pattern and with stock thicker than 1 1/8, still be able to run the bit up for an additional pass.

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1 minute ago, Idaho Andy said:

Thanks to both of you!!! Time to look up the Big Daddy :) 

check Highland Woodworking also, same bit for $154.00

 

4 minutes ago, wdwerker said:

Whiteside makes the " Big Daddy " bit for William Ng.

can't find it on the Whiteside website Steve, they make it just for Wm Ng?

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3 hours ago, Just Bob said:

Check with Southeast Tool company, I don't know if they carry what you look for, but I buy all of my spiral bits from them.    They are comparable  in quality with Whiteside and a whole lot cheaper.

 

Southeast Tool just introduced a spiral compression bit like the Whiteside Ultimate recently, it usually runs 30-40 bucks cheaper than the Whiteside.  I haven't tried one yet since I do most of my pattern routing with a Byrd head on the shaper and only use the compression bits when curves in the pattern are too small for the 4" head.

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I was referring to making a cut with the top bearing removed. Most of the time a bearing that size has a post it fits over not just a bolt in contact with the inside of the bearing .

Shouldnt be an issue when pattern routing .

The jig in the video is how I do those cuts. Bessey auto adjust toggle clamps are awesome ! I just move mine around from jig to jig. I usually use 6 -1 1/4 pocket screws to hold them firmly. You can adjust the pressure they apply and then the thickness doesn't matter. Same pressure on 1/4" to 1 1/2" thick stock. Regular toggle clamps are a pain to adjust !

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1 hour ago, Mike. said:

@ben_r_I have the whiteside bit - it is awesome.  It comes as top and bottom bearing, but you can remove the bottom bearing, giving you more flexibility.   I don't think the William Ng bit has a bottom bearing

 

The Ng bit doesn't have a top bearing.

I agree that the top and bottom bearing on the Whiteside bit does make it more flexible, but IMO that's where the advantages end.  If we're talking about the same bit, the Ng bit has a larger diameter which means it stays cooler which means it stays sharp longer.  Also I believe it has a more severe shear angle which means a cleaner cut.  Also because it doesn't have a top bearing you can pattern route thicker stock.

I think the Byrd on a shaper would be the ultimate set-up...short of that I'll stick with the Ng bit.  I'd like to have the Whiteside also just for the top/bottom versatility, but if I had to have just one it would be the Big Daddy.

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5 hours ago, Mike. said:

 My opinion is that the whiteside bit is good enough and if you don't like my opinion, keep it to yourself because this is my safe space :)

No worries Mike... I'll certainly honor your safe space!!! :D  Thanks to all for the input... the nice thing about the forum is that there are lots of opinions and thoughts that can be considered... Mike, I tend to agree that either bit will be more than acceptable. ... thanks again!

7 hours ago, Llama said:

This is worth watching.

Llama... thanks for the post.... good video

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I always wondered how long that Big Daddy lasts before it needs sharpening.   I would think the Carbide would last many times longer.

Whiteside is a great company that makes the best possible quality.  They're a pleasure to deal with too.  They have made custom bits for me in the past, and I get really quick turnaround on sharpening.

I recently sent Todd some drawings and wooden samples I'd made for custom bits I need for a particular job.  He called me back, and said they no longer can make single bits because they are too busy, and only do minimum runs of six bits each.  He had already boxed up what I sent him, and sent them to another company that they do business with-HIckory Saw and Tool.  I'm just now talking to Hickory about exactly what I want, but I considered it especially nice of Whiteside to not just send me away.

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