JT_LancasterPA Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 So I'm looking to build a basic workbench, nothing Roubo or fancy like that. Just basic with 2x6s. I'm trying to decide on a purchase of a hand plane to flatten the top after glue up, or save for a bench top planer to run laminated sections through. I have a vintage Stanley #4 that needs some work but takes shavings, but not perfect yet. I'm toying with a #5 1/2 or a Low Angle Jack plane since they seem to me more versatile on a budget. A part of me wants to jump to a #7 for flattening, since i'll be doing a bunch of cutting boards too in the future. Regarding the learning curve, I've tried flattening some boards and done a decent job with my #4, but what am I looking at learning curve wise with a hand plane for a bench top vs. simply saving up for a bench top planer. Just looking for some community wisdom in case I've overlooked something since either a nice plane or bench top planer are expensive in my book. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Just don't Find cheap hardwood. I made my bench out of 2x10s which are a higher grade than 2x6 material and my top had 1/4" hills at the quarter points and was 1/4" low at the center 4 months after i built it. I used my #7 to flatten half of the bench kind of and it was a LOT of work. If your going to not spend money on a planer to flatten the bench take that money and make the bench out of a better wood. Some people will tell you that a planer is a necessity but the softwood bench really sucks.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 Figured I'd share some pictures of the bench. I also didn't fully answer your question. I'd say that a #5 is a bit too small but is more useful once your finished with the bench. Depending on the size of the bench and the size of the work you do the #5 will go a long way to getting a good flat bench. A step up would be a #6, used Stanly ones are going for 65 ish on ebay right now. The learning curve with hand planes is sharpening them. If you can get a good sharp iron they are strait forward to use. Check out Renaissance woodworker and Paul sellers on youtube for more techniques. If you have a #4 a #5 isn't that much difference where a #6 could be more useful. #7s in good shape get spensive. Flattening with #7 Bench Storage idea form FourEyes After flattening it's still this far out but i said #@)A5 IT! The center 12" was flat good nuff. Other flattening strategies are using a router sled. and 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Barron Posted March 20, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 The most important thing is learning to sharpen, once you get that down the rest isn’t hard. You can flatten the bench with a 5, and use it for a lot of other work. A 7 would be great for the bench, but might sit unused from then on. A powered bench top planer isn’t a way I would go. Either get a good hand plane or a floor model, 6”or 8” powered planer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 If your stock is straight & square, just put some effort into keeping the lamination aligned during glue-up, and you shouldn't have that much flattening to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgaron Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 If you make an English style/Nicholson bench you will be using 2x12s in the flat and not need more than that 4 to true them up if you are picky at the big box store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom King Posted March 22, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Or use a chainsaw. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Holy crap Tom, those clamps and blocks on the bar are ballsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pondhockey Posted March 23, 2018 Report Share Posted March 23, 2018 Sweet, Tom. You one-upped the Alaskan Saw Mill! Can we call it the Carolina Saw Mill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom King Posted April 6, 2018 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 6, 2018 Sorry I missed the comments earlier. We needed to match some hewn beams, and had dropped this standing, dead tree anyway. It turned out to be just the right size. The whole story in pictures is on the Structural page of my website. It was a Silver Maple, so being dry, it was way too hard to do the whole hewing process by hand. I had posted these pictures as a joke about flattening a bench top. We first tried it without the blocks on the bar, but it was too hard to hit both sides exactly right, so I added the stop blocks. The chain goes away from you on top, so if a clamp slipped, it might damage a few teeth, but it would fly away from the sawyer. They ended up not slipping anyway. Saw is an 036, on its third cylinder kit, with a 2' bar. I think I bought it new in 1999, and the guys that work for me use it a lot cutting their firewood. To start, I cut two pieces of plywood the size of the beams we needed, and matched (leveled) them with winding sticks. The rest of the rig keyed off of the plywood patterns screwed to the ends of the logs. After those notches were cut with the saw, the rest was done the old fashioned way. This is not the kind of stuff you learn in books, or classes, but just figure it out was you go. It ends up being a lot more fun than building new houses, and I'm still amazed that people pay me to do this sort of thing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JT_LancasterPA Posted April 9, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2018 Thanks everyone. I did purchase a router and have made a sled for flattening my cutting boards. It's worked great! Sure it's a little slower than running through a planer, but now I have the necessary skills available to know how to flatten large pieces, including the new top for my workbench that is forthcoming. The router wasn't too big of a buy-in, so I feel good about what I've spent and what I've learned. Thank you for your help on all this! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisco Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 Is a plunge router an absolute necessity for this set up, or will a fixed base work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 It is a little more fiddling to use a fixed base router but it does work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 26, 2018 Report Share Posted July 26, 2018 On 3/20/2018 at 1:12 PM, JT_LancasterPA said: A part of me wants to jump to a #7 for flattening, since i'll be doing a bunch of cutting boards too in the future. If you're thinking your hand planes will be the right tool for end grain board, you're gunna be miserable. You didn't say end grain but I've spent a few hours this week flattening cutting boards with a drum sander and I still hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 You west coast guys are such a woose. I made one last weekend to give to my gf’s mom. No problemo! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 10 hours ago, K Cooper said: You west coast guys are such a woose. I made one last weekend to give to my gf’s mom. No problemo! Sweet. I'll be finishing these tonight.. started them Tuesdays. If you want to flatten by hand, feel free. I'd rather be drinking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, Brendon_t said: Sweet. I'll be finishing these tonight.. started them Tuesdays. If you want to flatten by hand, feel free. I'd rather be drinking. End grain oak for a cutting board! How dare you ...! Don't let the youtube comment section see that LOL. Boards look good. I still have yet to do an end grain board. Are they worth it? I've done a few face grain ones and they seem to hold up ok for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Chestnut said: End grain oak for a cutting board! How dare you ...! Don't let the youtube comment section see that LOL. Boards look good. I still have yet to do an end grain board. Are they worth it? I've done a few face grain ones and they seem to hold up ok for me. Yeah, I couldn't care less about the armchair jockeys opinions. I've been using a white oak and Cherry cutting board for 3 years. Weirdly, I don't have jaundice, dissentary or alopecia. The internet lies! Cutting boards bank roll my shop so I'd say that they do pretty well. I build 6 for friends/family Christmas of 2014, those people bought some in 15 as gifts. That continuing and spreading through my office has had me fortunate enough to receive at least 3-4 orders per month. With one income for 5 people, it helps a lot not having to use my income for shop stuff. As for the building of them, it's a bit boring now but no two are ever the same so there's at least a bit of a reveal of something different when it goes into the mineral oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chet Posted July 27, 2018 Report Share Posted July 27, 2018 2 hours ago, Chestnut said: I still have yet to do an end grain board. Are they worth it? End grain won't show wear from knife marks nearly as much as face or edge grain. And technically end grain is more sanitary but they are all sanitary unless you are to lazy to wipe them done when done using them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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