pkinneb Posted May 16, 2020 Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Chet said: I know it has to be different in today's situation but when our daughter was going through this we found that the safest and sanest thing to do was stand back out of the way and just sign the checks. LOL yep the check signing has been done for months but sometimes I just can't help myself...open mouth insert foot LOL. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post treeslayer Posted May 16, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Chet said: the safest and sanest thing to do was stand back out of the way and just sign the checks. exactly right!! walk her down the isle and the father daughter dance after that get out of the way and enjoy yourself 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Chet said: I know it has to be different in today's situation but when our daughter was going through this we found that the safest and sanest thing to do was stand back out of the way and just sign the checks. Amen! My daughter married about 22 years ago to a son of an ex vp from Exxon. Our guest list was for about 40 or so, theirs was over200. I knew right then that I was in over my head. The reception was at some fancy ass hotel and a flat rate for open bar. Afterwards a few of my group gathered in the bar for a night cap, not knowing that open bar had closed 10 minutes earlier. Bar tender brought me a tab for over $300. At least daughter was happy and we have 2 wonderful grandkids to show for it. Sorry Nut, I think we hj your project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted May 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 10 hours ago, pkinneb said: They did push their ceremony/ reception to July 2021 so that's good but they still want to be married this year so they plan to have a small ceremony in August I'm like you know you can go to the court house and in 5 min be legally married right...yeah not the right thing to say! I feel bad for them but my normally very intelligent and grounded daughter is so emotionally tied to this dang wedding its unbelievable. Were they supposed to have their ceremony during this pandemic and had to move it? I apparently am marrying into the wrong family because we're the only ones writing checks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted May 17, 2020 Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Chestnut said: Were they supposed to have their ceremony during this pandemic and had to move it? I apparently am marrying into the wrong family because we're the only ones writing checks. Yep May 30th, then moved to July 4th 2020, now July 17th 2021. Their honeymoon was supposed to be in June 2020, to Italy, its been pushed to Sept 2020. We had a set amount for all three kids, just said use it for whatever you want, wedding, house, car didn't matter to me once its outta my checkbook i can't use it anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted May 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted May 17, 2020 Ooff that's rough for them. I can't imagine the amount of stress that must have put on them and disappointment. Megan and I talked about it and if for what ever reason we found ourselves in that spot we'd just do the courthouse wedding and them probably a reception later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted July 18, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 I cam back to this tread to refresh myself on where I was at with this project after not touching it for 2 months. The only thing I'm getting from this thread right now is a reminder that trying to plan a wedding during a pandemic is miserable. I'm going to make some headway on this project hopefully the next few weeks as it's just too hot to work outside during the middle of the day. So I stand staring at this trying to figure out where I left off. On an unrelated note. @pkinneb when we were talking about my shop lights and you saw my camera. This is why I use the nice camera in the shop. The above is a picture from my Nikon. Below is a picture from my smart phone, mind you my phone takes in general a really good picture. But the cell phone can't handle the awful color from the LED lights i have in the shop. You don't notice it with your eyes as our eyes are amazing in what they can adjust to color wise. It's not a big deal but i have the camera so I might as well use it. For everyone else we were talking about good lighting in shops. I commented how these LED bars were really cheap and do a great job. Their one down side is terrible CRI, and i mean absolutely AWFUL CRI. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan McCully Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 Really nice work nut. Just finished reading the whole thread for the first time. May be an ignorant question, but why put in twin tenons rather than one single one if it isn’t a through tenon and won’t be seen? Or maybe I missed that it was a through tenon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted July 18, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jonathan McCully said: May be an ignorant question, but why put in twin tenons rather than one single one if it isn’t a through tenon and won’t be seen? Or maybe I missed that it was a through tenon? This is an EXCELLENT question. The reason you do a twin tenon is for more long grain to long grain glue area. In the image below on the leg the left and right are the bottom and top of the leg and mortise respectively. The grain is running left and right. If i put a traditional tenon on this piece it'd be something like 1/2" thick and 1" wide and 1" long. This would give me 1 sq inch of glue area (1/2 sq inch per face) In the picture below here you can see that with the tenons arranged in the twin orientation i was able to make 2 3/8" x 3/4" x 1" tenons which gave me 3 sq inches of glue area or roughly 3x more. With most adhesives glue area is one of the more important factors in making a strong connection. A traditional tenon would probably work in this situation but why risk it? The twin is no harder than a single. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan McCully Posted July 18, 2020 Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 Thanks for the reply and the great explanation. Haven’t done any twin tenons before, will have to try that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted July 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2020 19 minutes ago, Jonathan McCully said: Thanks for the reply and the great explanation. Haven’t done any twin tenons before, will have to try that. They are just like a regular M&T but it is helpful to work them backwards with the tenon 1st and then the mortise 2nd. I should credit my source on this is Mr. Cremona on his Side Board build in the guild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Nut, did you make the tenons on the ts with a tenoning jig? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted July 19, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 19 minutes ago, Coop said: Nut, did you make the tenons on the ts with a tenoning jig? The double tenon was on my band saw actually. I don't own a tenoning jig, there was a time I wanted one but I've gotten by with out so i imagine I'll keep managing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Looks like you got it down without one. Good job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted July 19, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 So yesterday i got my bearings back and remembered the direction I was going, then promptly went off in a different direction. I started finding material to get the vertical dividers and drawer runners fabricated. It took a lot of searching to find scraps that were thick enough for the drawer runners. I wanted to make them the same thickness as the dividers but not waste walnut. Turns out one of the boards I thought was pine ended up being red oak so i chopped it up for the main runners. I had a 6/4 scrap of cherry from the chairs for the outside runners. I forgot to take pictures of all of that so I'll have to update later with how the dividers and runners are going to work. Check Back later I'll fill this in. In order to make the vertical dividers work I followed Mr. Cremona's guide of laminating another board to the lower front stretcher. This allowed me to sneak a double tenon in for all of the dividers. My dividers are 1" in the visible plane and 1.25" thick into the case. This makes them feel nice and beefy but also look very delicate it's a good compromise. I made a mark so the lamination is clearish. Today I started working on getting the sides complete and ready for glue up. First order was to measure to make sure my panel material didn't shrink in the 2 months it's been waiting. Turns out it's still the right size. I knew going into this that I would be cutting it close. So i jointed an edge and face of the 2 boards and planed the other face parallel. Then it was to the band saw for a quick resaw to get 2 1/4" panels. I spend some time at the drum sander finessing the fit. Then it was trim to size and see how things look. After my test fit was a success I cleaned up the drum sander marks with my card scraper. Good hint for card scraper use is to have a magnet on the back. It helps protect your fingers from the heat of the card scraper. I also use it to remind my self which edge is my cutting edge. I orient the magnet so the cutting edge would be down if you were reading the magnet. It's then obviously on the side without the magnet or maybe not obviously if you haven't' seen this trick. I got these DFW scarpers off amazon and I really like them. Not sure if my prep was better with them or if the steel is better but I can get some dang fine shavings. These ones were almost looking like the came from a smoothing plane. After scraping was a quick sand to even out the scraper marks then pre-finishing. It's the most humid time of the year so these panels will only shrink from this point. I still cut them with some good room to spare but not as much as if I was making this in the winter. The one board ended up with some AWESOME figure. I"m excited to see these sides in place now. Maybe i'll have this guy finished by the end of august. The other side's panels are on the more boring side.... it's rough lumber I thought they were both going to be boring... at least that was my intent... 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeslayer Posted July 19, 2020 Report Share Posted July 19, 2020 Great tip on the card scraper and you’re right, those panels are awesome. Great work as usual Drew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coop Posted July 20, 2020 Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 Man, those are sweet! How did the scrapers come out of the box! At that price, I just ordered me a couple. Thanks for the lead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted July 20, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 20, 2020 9 hours ago, Coop said: Man, those are sweet! How did the scrapers come out of the box! At that price, I just ordered me a couple. Thanks for the lead. Like most tools they do require some work out of the box but these ended up better than the crown scrapers I have. I ran them over my sharpening stones on the edges but they cleaned up really quick. I know some people use files and that would work too, just something to clean up the rough edge. I take the edge up to 6000 grip on my water stones before i burnish and it makes burnishing last longer. I was able to clean up all 4 of those panels no issues. I use a block of wood 2" x 2" x 6" to stabilize the scraper as i clean up the edge on a sharpening stone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted July 27, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Made some good headway on this in the past week. First up was to mark the curves on the sides assemblies, cut the curves, and then clean up the band saw cut. I'm not sure if I've posted the trick I use for walnut. I start by marking out what i need in pencil, using a bit more pressure to get a heavier line but also put down a heavier mark. After marking the heavy mark with a regular pencil I go over the whole line with a white charcoal pencil. I think Marc talked about options for walnut once but finding the pens he talked about recently was difficult. I find this method works really well. I do the same thing for cut lines if the wood is extra dark as well. I feel it gives me a great balance of precision and visibility and ease of marking. After marked out I cut to the line at the band saw. Visibility at the band saw is important, band saws seem like they are difficult to light well. Cleanup was done with a spoke shave at the bench. For some reason my shave was chattering real bad on this walnut. I stopped half way through and sharpened the shave but that didn't make any difference. I'm not sure if the width of the material has an impact on that or not. In the end i got everything cleaned up and removed the chatter marks with a card scraper. After all the curves were cut and cleaned up on the sides, the sides got assembled. After assembling the sides i started working on the back side of the sideboard. I wanted to make a back but didn't want to have to deal with making panels and dealing with wood movement. So i decided to go for plywood. To mount the plywood i created a rabbet on the back pieces and will fill in the panels with ply at a later time. I wasn't overly concerned with the exact rabbet size but was shooting for 3/16". Any more than that may have caused interference with joinery. To set my fence i cut 2 pieces at 3/16" thick and used them as spacers to set the fence. Then I just router the rabbets in. Skipping where the vertical braces go. And a dry assembled picture for some clarity. After this is done i need to work on assembling some sub assemblies. This is goign to be far too complicated to try and glue together all in 1 go. I should be able to break it into 4-5 sub assemblies that I then glue together. This is going quick. I'm excited to get started on the doors and drawers. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Looks great Drew! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted July 27, 2020 Report Share Posted July 27, 2020 Looking great, Drew! Do you set your shave a little lighter on one side? I feel like this help to quickly adjust the cut when chatter is a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark J Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 22 hours ago, Chestnut said: This is going quick. Well that's not a bad thing. I'm guessing you wanna say "I'm done" before "I do". When is the big day, by the way? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coyote Jim Posted July 28, 2020 Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 This is turning out to be a pretty stunning piece. I'm hooked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted July 28, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Mark J said: Well that's not a bad thing. I'm guessing you wanna say "I'm done" before "I do". When is the big day, by the way? December 19. I hope. 2 hours ago, Coyote Jim said: This is turning out to be a pretty stunning piece. I'm hooked. Thanks! The best is yet to come i saved some figured material for the door panels and drawer fronts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chestnut Posted August 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted August 2, 2020 So today after taking the past week to work on garage organization, I decided to do the final major glue up for the side board. I knew this one was going to be stressful just because of the number of pieces. I needed to mate the 2 sides with the front and back and then have the drawer supports in the middle. To give my self enough time I used epoxy with some filler to stop it from running all over the place. It's a good thing I used epoxy. Mid glue up i found out one of my joints was way off so i had to make a quick adjustment with the domino mid glue. I swore I did a dry assembly of this multiple times.... Can see a bit of the side pannels here. Because epoxy takes so long to cure I used the time to work on some cupcake stands for the wedding in December. These are simple boxes that we'll just stack and put cupcakes on. I'm using tulip poplar to get rid of it. I found i really dislike the smell of tulip poplar so I'll be happy to have it out of my shop. The construction is a simple miter joint that I'm reinforcing with redwood splines for a bit of interest. Because poplar is super boring i'll be giving these a spray of dye before the final top coat. I'm also making 2 sets. The first set is done picture below for what it'll look like. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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