New plane!!! BCTW content

[Llama]

33 minutes ago, shaneymack said:

Now you just need a nice systainer to store it in

I jokingly thought about it... But, I'll be making a proper hand tool cabinet once I buy the rest of what I need.

 

[shaneymack]

I think BCTW is Mel's Koolaid.

Mel is slowly coming over to the dark side....or should I say, the green side.

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[BonPacific]

That's just pornographic man. 

One of the machinists at my work introduced me to bridge city. This guy makes scientific instruments with micron tolerances, and even he was impressed with the machining on their tools. A pity neither of us could afford any of them. 

[BeautysBeast]

3 hours ago, drzaius said:

I've just gone into cardiac arrest. 

SE Dual Angle Smoother $4222.22

Looks nice though.

Did you put the decimal in the wrong place?

[xxdabroxx]

22 minutes ago, BeautysBeast said:

Did you put the decimal in the wrong place?

You can get a walnut case for it for an additional $216

[Llama]

37 minutes ago, BeautysBeast said:

Did you put the decimal in the wrong place?

No, that's the price of a different plane. Interesting when people grab the highest price thing on the website.

http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/tools/planes/limited-edition-planes/se-dual-angle-smoother-1.html

[BeautysBeast]

That one is pretty awesome too.

[andrew-in-austin]

They are beautiful tools I would love to own. However I doubt they are objectively any better in their use than any other highly quality plane. 

[Llama]

4 minutes ago, andrew-in-austin said:

I doubt they are objectively any better in their use than any other highly quality plane. 

I own them because I like them and I can afford them. To answer your question, they are better in use. How much better, that's for the user to decide.

[andrew-in-austin]

2 minutes ago, Mike. said:

Is this square any better in use than a $50 square?

http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/metrology/metrology-products/precision-measuring-tools/squares/Solid-Squares/3020-12

How about this one?

http://www.starrett.com/metrology/product-detail/metrology/metrology-products/precision-measuring-tools/squares/Solid-Squares/20-12 W~SLC

If they have higher tolerances then yes, it could provide the user with a more accurate result. As for BCTW, I just have not seen any objective evidence that they are "better". Do they allow finer shavings?  How do they allow one to accomplish a better result?

[Llama]

5 minutes ago, andrew-in-austin said:

If they have higher tolerances then yes, it could provide the user with a more accurate result. As for BCTW, I just have not seen any objective evidence that they are "better". Do they allow finer shavings?  How do they allow one to accomplish a better result?

Have you tried one? Are you implying that BCTW doesn't have a higher tolorance than LN? 

[xxdabroxx]

I carry a Benchmade pocket knife.  It cost over $200, does it cut any better than another knife?  Not necessarily, it is made with high quality steel and has a good feel in the hand and tight manufacturing tolerances.  Sometimes we just buy things because we like the quality of the item, not necessarily that they are that much better than an alternative. 

[Immortan D]

12 minutes ago, Mike. said:

There is no doubt in my mind a BCTW is build to higher tolerances.  

I remember a video from Mel on his older planes. Everything clicks in place, easy tool less adjustments, etc, etc.

They are expensive toys, maybe even collector items, but I wouldn't mind having one or two around.

[drzaius]

4 hours ago, Llama said:

Yeah, but it's like getting two planes in one!

 

Oh, well then...

[andrew-in-austin]

48 minutes ago, Llama said:

Have you tried one? Are you implying that BCTW doesn't have a higher tolorance than LN? 

No I have not.  But I am still wondering how they produce a better result.  I'd just like to see an example situation where the BCTW plane could produce something better or more accurate than, say, a LN or LV plane, or made the process of producing the result much more efficient or easier for the craftsman.  I am just trying to find a way to justify the extra cost, beyond the "it's so pretty" reasoning.

For example, their block plane price might be justified because it can do thickness plaining, where as I don't think the LN or LV one can.  That extra $90 or so might be worth it for that extra feature.

However, the dual angle block plane with depth skids at $460 would be hard to justify for me, mostly because their "single angle" one does everything the dual angle does at ~$200 less (plus another iron).

[Llama]

Again, I am not here to justify a shoulder plane that costs over a grand. If you decide to try one, you will know the difference.

[Tom Cancelleri]

1 hour ago, xxdabroxx said:

I carry a Benchmade pocket knife.  It cost over $200, does it cut any better than another knife?  Not necessarily, it is made with high quality steel and has a good feel in the hand and tight manufacturing tolerances.  Sometimes we just buy things because we like the quality of the item, not necessarily that they are that much better than an alternative. 

TRUTH! The Sebenza is no better than my benchmade emissary, but it's tolerances are tighter, and it's a quality piece. Not to discredit Benchmade, which is already higher end. 

Same applies to BCTW. I have some of their stuff and it's made really well. There's a lot of attention to detail in their items.

[Immortan D]

[Tpt life]

Sometimes "better result" is less fettling down the road. Solid machined rather than cast intrigues me. Zero backlash is perhaps seconds saved each operation. I see it like Tom's sharpening setup. Just because it has a value doesn't make it a necessity. Not being a necessity does not equal having no value. 

[Dknapp34]

22 hours ago, Llama said:

Hard to say... There is absolutely zero play in the mechanisms on any of the BCTW planes I have. The blade advance knob is very easy to use, and dial in to the smallest degree. The fit and finish is absolutely perfect on these tools. As for an advantage, I'm not sure. But here is what John E said.

"Quality is contagious.

Nothing is more important to a woodworker than his tools.

If you owned a tool chest full of well-crafted tools,

how could you possibly justify doing shabby work?

You dishonor your tools, you dishonor yourself."

I am definitely of the school that a person does not need to justify his tool purchases.  I was just curious to know from someone who has used BCTW planes if there was a noticeable difference in performance.  If I had the funds, I'd probably buy them too.  But until I get a domino and better planer and a lake house with a boat, I will stick to drooling over pictures of them online.

[wdwerker]

A boat is a wood/Fiberglas /aluminum lined hole in the water into which you pour money !

[Coop]

8 hours ago, Llama said:

No, that's the price of a different plane. Interesting when people grab the highest price thing on the website.

http://www.bridgecitytools.com/default/tools/planes/limited-edition-planes/se-dual-angle-smoother-1.html

Are you moving to CO as part of a protection program??

[Llama]

10 hours ago, K Cooper said:

Are you moving to CO as part of a protection program??

I'm moving to Colorado as part of the "I'm done living in Wisconsin" program  

[drzaius]

I completely understand spending that kind of money on a tool just cause you like it & it's a great tool. It's the same as getting pleasure from owning a piece of art.

[wtnhighlander]

BCTW planes ARE pieces of art! They just happen to shave wood nicely, too.