Janello Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Shane, i get mixed results with my omnijig too. I think a lot of my problems stem from how the boards are clamped. Not sure about the D4r but the omnijig doesn't have a real long edge guide, and how much pressure you put on a board that you clamp can change things slightly. The omnijig has a similar support to the vrs and that also seems to change things a bit sometimes. Just too many parts and adjustments make it finicky. I feel your pain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Shane, i get mixed results with my omnijig too. I think a lot of my problems stem from how the boards are clamped. Not sure about the D4r but the omnijig doesn't have a real long edge guide, and how much pressure you put on a board that you clamp can change things slightly. The omnijig has a similar support to the vrs and that also seems to change things a bit sometimes. Just too many parts and adjustments make it finicky. I feel your pain. I think these jigs are often seen as plug and play and that they give perfectly consistent results. This haven't been my experience. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjk Posted June 12, 2016 Report Share Posted June 12, 2016 Just a thought - maybe the VRS (that's a support bar that gets mounted on the front, which also has a vacuum hookup (for those that don't know)) got loose and raised or lowered the front edge of the router a smidge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shaneymack Posted June 13, 2016 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Got a good amount done today for the limited time I had. I started by setting up a straight bit in the router table and making all the stopped grooves for the bottoms Next i made a jig to be able to accurately cut the dowel stock into small pieces to make the hinge parts. The fence has a groove routed in it to match the dowel stock. This allows me to cut the dowel square and have zero tear out Next i cut all the plywood bottoms and cut and glued some decorative paper to the bottom of each one Next i routed the groove on the back of the box and the underside of the lid that will accept the dowel pieces that will make up the hinge Next i cut the dowel into pieces. Two pieces will be glued to the lid and three to the box back I made a quick jig so i can drill centered 1/16" holes in the hinge pieces. i cut small pieces of 1/16" welding rod to act as the hinge pin Then i marked out the location of each piece of dowel in the grooves. I wrote a either a "w" or a "g". The "w" will receive wax and the "g" will receive glue. They are opposite on each piece I then glued it all up. While waiting 30 mins for that to dry, I glued a piece of 180 to some ply and sanded the interiors of all the boxes. Here are some pictures of the prototype box. Keep in mind, the quality isn't great, i did this very fast to make sure it all worked. This box will not receive finish. I will keep it in the shopnto put small parts in and it will act as reminder when i want to do these boxes again. The hinge stock is maple and the box is poplar, thats why it looks bad. The hinge pieces will also be much tighter and the grain will all be sequential in each piece. I didnt do that for this box. Here is a quick video of it in action Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Too-da-loo! Ha! Looks great man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Very nice! They are fun to make and like you say once you have a way to make dowels they are pretty cheep to make. I did about a dozen business card boxes at Christmas for gifts 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Very nice hinges! Clockmaker's precision! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post shaneymack Posted June 13, 2016 Author Popular Post Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Got two boxes complete today. A final sanding and some finish left. Front Side I did a better job on the hinge on these. I made sure to make the grain continuous. The mahogany one seemed to blend the best. Top So two down, three to go. By the fifth one i will have it down pat ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk I did a small chamfer to the lid front to distinguish the front of the box. Trying to decide whether or not to do a finger recess as well. What do you guys think? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat60 Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Great work as always...Mabe you can do the finger recess on just some of them..I like them myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midtnwoodworker Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Those look really nice. The lines in the mahogany do almost completely disappear. I would probably add a small recess, but I would test it on the poplar box first to see if it messes with the clean lines that the boxes already have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Ya done good with the boxes Shane, but the glare from all the green hurts my wallet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 51 minutes ago, mat60 said: Great work as always...Mabe you can do the finger recess on just some of them..I like them myself. Thanks Mark 50 minutes ago, midtnwoodworker said: Those look really nice. The lines in the mahogany do almost completely disappear. I would probably add a small recess, but I would test it on the poplar box first to see if it messes with the clean lines that the boxes already have. Thanks ! Thats a good point, i will try it on the poplar one and see how i like it. 41 minutes ago, RichardA said: Ya done good with the boxes Shane, but the glare from all the green hurts my wallet! Thanks Richard. LOL. Ya, there is certainly a green glare in my shop. I built my bench to house 9 systainers thinking thats all id ever need. Well, now i need to find a home for about twenty more systainers! Thats my next project I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 They are both very nice but that mahogany hinge is amazing the way it blends in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 They are both very nice but that mahogany hinge is amazing the way it blends in! Thanks! I agree about the mahogany hinge. The other one didnt blend as well because the hinge is maple and the box is birdseye. I wasnt about to try to make birdseye dowel, life is hard enough lol Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Actually I turned several it was no problem I'm sure your Veritas jig will work great on that too. Having said that I have had issues getting them to match because there is so much going on with the grain of the different pieces. here are a couple of curly maple ones I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Actually I turned several it was no problem I'm sure your Veritas jig will work great on that too. Having said that I have had issues getting them to match because there is so much going on with the grain of the different pieces. here are a couple of curly maple ones I did. Awesome! So you did birdseye and curly? Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 I haven't made a birdseye box yet but I made up several hinge blanks while I had the jig set up. They are marked BE in the pic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 I haven't made a birdseye box yet but I made up several hinge blanks while I had the jig set up. They are marked BE in the pic. Thanks, thats good to know! I will make a few tomorrow as I have one more birdseye box to glue up! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 Neat little boxes, Shane. I've never seen them hinged like that. I'm not sure how I feel about the decorative paper but it's an interesting twist. Well done at super-human speed as usual. Oh, and I agree about the D4R. It's definitely a huge PITA to set up and it's very finicky. I've only used it one time on the blanket chests, and it took two fairly intelligent people a full day to set it up and cut the joints, but it would have taken a WEEK to do all those joints by hand. So I think - depending on the project - it's still totally worth owning and using, despite the headaches. I'll admit though...it's been only a few months since I used it and I can't remember at least half of the steps you have to go through. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted June 13, 2016 Report Share Posted June 13, 2016 That mahogany box is flawless, maple is pretty good too though...I couldn't even really figure out how the hinge worked until I got further down to the pics of the open boxes. Well done sir. I'm torn on the finger recess. I'd be a little worried that if the top shrinks a little in the winter it would be harder to open...but it looks pretty great without one. Also, why the decorative paper? Is it just a style thing, or is there something about the bottom you want to hide without veneering? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Neat little boxes, Shane. I've never seen them hinged like that. I'm not sure how I feel about the decorative paper but it's an interesting twist. Well done at super-human speed as usual. Oh, and I agree about the D4R. It's definitely a huge PITA to set up and it's very finicky. I've only used it one time on the blanket chests, and it took two fairly intelligent people a full day to set it up and cut the joints, but it would have taken a WEEK to do all those joints by hand. So I think - depending on the project - it's still totally worth owning and using, despite the headaches. I'll admit though...it's been only a few months since I used it and I can't remember at least half of the steps you have to go through. Thanks E! I always appreciate your feedback. Ya the decorative paper is definitely not for everyone but I didnt feel like doing all solid bottoms for all five boxes and i didnt want to do plain boring plywood. That's how the paper came about. Next batch i will try leather bottoms. The paper will be great for the kids. Im giving three of the boxes to my three oldest kids. I hear you about the d4r. I hate it so much but will probably use it again because as you say, it is faster if you have a big project. I was still pissed the other day when I went on and on about it lol. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkinneb Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Plywood bottoms with self adhesive felt is another option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 That mahogany box is flawless, maple is pretty good too though...I couldn't even really figure out how the hinge worked until I got further down to the pics of the open boxes. Well done sir. I'm torn on the finger recess. I'd be a little worried that if the top shrinks a little in the winter it would be harder to open...but it looks pretty great without one. Also, why the decorative paper? Is it just a style thing, or is there something about the bottom you want to hide without veneering? Thanks JT! The decorative paper is just for fun. Didnt feel like doing solid bottoms and thats what I had in the house =) Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Plywood bottoms with self adhesive felt is another option. I used red felt for a silverware chest i built for someone 10 years ago. I remember not liking it. I guess i could try it again. I'll add that to the list. I definitely want to do a few with leather bottoms also Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhighlander Posted June 14, 2016 Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Really nice boxes Shane! You pick up the hinge technique from Rob Cosman, or somewhere else? My $0.02 on future options: I like the finger recess idea, as sometimes wood moves, and you need a little grip to open the box. Also, I might suggest various types of uphostely fabrics as an alternative to paper, felt, or leather. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneymack Posted June 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2016 Really nice boxes Shane! You pick up the hinge technique from Rob Cosman, or somewhere else? My $0.02 on future options: I like the finger recess idea, as sometimes wood moves, and you need a little grip to open the box. Also, I might suggest various types of uphostely fabrics as an alternative to paper, felt, or leather. Thanks Ross ! Yes this is a technique Cosman uses. I mentioned in the video that its his but wasn't sure if he came up with the idea or not. It's a great way to do a wood hinge, i really like it. It's pretty easy and a lot of fun ! Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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