Tpt life Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 That's his journey. He has been chasing minimalism for awhile. I get it that this is not where most people are. I value that he is not interested in pimping the views of talking heads. That some prop him up as a talking head will happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denette Posted March 21, 2017 Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 I think it is easy to balk at the Schwarz because the world of woodworking is filled with teachers who teach practical basic skills. We are so used to the Marcs, Norms, and Cremonas of the world doling out practical advice that when someone is excited about something that is way way down a deep rabbit hole he's been running into for years, we don't know how to react to it. The less-experienced woodworkers among us (myself included) see him getting all excited about ancient Roman benches and say, "So what? I still haven't used a lathe. Someone show me how to use a lathe," or something like that. I feel like Schwarz appeals to a smaller segment of the population, even among woodworkers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom King Posted March 21, 2017 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 21, 2017 i never knew who he was until I joined these forums, and then I had to look it up. I haven't kept up with what he's doing. I have some pictures of a real, early 18th Century bench that I'm trying to find. I'll post the pictures here when I find them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheperd80 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I admire hand tool guys to a certain degree, but for some reason when i see the brace n bit come out... facepalm. Also, this looks much easier to build than a roubo so im on board 100%. Thanks Schwarz. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I looked down on the brace and bit until we had to drill a hole to run a gas line during a blackout/ ice storm. Gas heater on the fireplace hearth and a living room full of kids beat freezing out asses off. Sure was glad my grandads brace and bit were handy ! This was in the late 60's, so cordless tools were a long way off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 34 minutes ago, sheperd80 said: brace n bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 For shame Mel ! Not a sharp edge in sight. Those things will work you to death when they are sharp . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I've used a bunch of them. Some needed serious attention after that pic was taken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheperd80 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 That some collection youve got there. Theyll go great in an end of the world, zombie apocalypse tool set. That large auger, middle of the first pic... youd have to be popeye to run that! Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 22, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I actually needed one of the bigger ones when I was making my leg vise with the BC hardware. Funny thing, I asked Shannon how to sharpen it because it was so dull. He said they're pretty much worthless. He is mostly right. Had to use a router plane to flatten this thing out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 This thread came at almost the same time PW sent out an email called "Popular Workbench Magazine" where Megan Fitzpatrick joked about how many workbench articles they have published. I'm still thinking through what I want to build, though it would be nice to be able to actually spend a few minutes standing at different ones before deciding - like trying out tools at HWW or the Woodworking Show. I'll probably end up building a version of Marc's Ruobo but it seems quite daunting. I think I'm more worried about getting the top flat than any of the rest, but hey, I had a flat top when I was a kid so how hard can it be? A few strokes with a hard bristle brush and I'm good to go - LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted March 22, 2017 Report Share Posted March 22, 2017 I've got an auger around the size of Llamas. It has a Tee handle. I sharpened it with a file and it cut right through a chunk of firewood pretty easily but I could center my weight over the Tee handle. In a brace it would certainly be more work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylder Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I bought an old Stanley Sweetheart brace at a flea market in Florida. No bits. TSA made me throw it out. Couldn't take a tool in my carry-on. So stupid it hurt, but I didn't have time to go back and put it in check on baggage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 On 3/20/2017 at 7:51 PM, wtnhighlander said: why would anyone want to build a more primative bench? To sell more books... nobody would have listened to CS had he started out with a crappy Roman bench first. Going back in time somehow gives him street cred... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 This is my brace: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandorLush Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 9 minutes ago, Immortan D said: This is my brace: I found your handsaw 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 10 minutes ago, CandorLush said: I found your handsaw That's my sword saw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 1 hour ago, Llama said: nobody would have listened to CS had he started out with a crappy Roman bench first Who's CS? Carus Schaffer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 Just now, Immortan D said: Who's CS? Carus Schaffer? Chris Schwarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immortan D Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Llama said: Chris Schwarz Huh, that CS. I stopped paying attention to him after trying his idea of using a wedge to lock a leg vise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prov163 Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, Llama said: To sell more books... nobody would have listened to CS had he started out with a crappy Roman bench first. Going back in time somehow gives him street cred... People are buying his material so there must be a market for it. I wonder why it is that guys like Schwarz, Cosman and others take so much grief for making money in their chosen field from people who expect to make money in THEIR chosen field? As for "street cred" I have a friend who is a music historian. He is writing a book on the development of stringed musical instruments going back thousands of years. I love music, have over 10,000 songs on my iPod, but I wouldn't give you a penny for a signed copy (except he's my friend) but I bet it will sell a lot of books to those who have an interest in the topic. More power to him. He also has an amazing collection of old stringed instruments. He plays them, studies them and their time period, searches out ancient music, reads ancient materials, etc. We also shouldn't underestimate the amount of research that goes into historical writing. I love history and though the Roman bench isn't my cup of tea and won't end up in my shop, at the same time there is value in understanding what life was like for woodworkers in their day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, prov163 said: People are buying his material so there must be a market for it. I wonder why it is that guys like Schwarz, Cosman and others take so much grief for making money in their chosen field from people who expect to make money in THEIR chosen field? I don't fault them one bit for making money... Honestly, I'm glad they are able to make money doing what they love... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CandorLush Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 I mean I guess but I like Pop Wood, the only recent issue is didn't like was the one on Shaker boxes because I think those are a prime example of doing crap work just because dead people did it. But other people dig that so it's whatever, the other 6 issues in the year I enjoyed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted March 23, 2017 Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 45 minutes ago, Immortan D said: Who's CS? Carus Shaffer? Thanks for thinking of me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted March 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, CandorLush said: Shaker boxes because I think those are a prime example of doing crap work just because dead people did it Shut your dirty mouth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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