MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just got back from the lumberyard. Since a week ago, my company pricing for 4/4 Black Walnut went from $6.27/bdft to $7.96/bdft. I asked him what the 'civilian' price was and he said it's over $12/bdft now. I'm in Idaho, what's it like where you guys live? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 What does 'civilian' mean in this context? Is that the non-contractor / non-business rate, or the wholesale rate or something? Have not heard that term used before... My yard just does x% off the marked prices for contractors, so I'm a little confused. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendon_t Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, JosephThomas said: What does 'civilian' mean in this context? Is that the non-contractor / non-business rate, or the wholesale rate or something? Have not heard that term used before... My yard just does x% off the marked prices for contractors, so I'm a little confused. Sounds like he is getting the contractor or high volume pricing. And welcome back JT Yeah, walnut prices are stupid. If you want the why, gargle Shannon's write up. This has been going for a few years. Soon the fad will be over and poplar with it's beautiful muddy colors will come into fashion and things will change again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephThomas Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Just now, Brendon_t said: Sounds like he is getting the contractor or high volume pricing. And welcome back JT Thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Red steam-dried blackened California eastern walnut is dirt cheap. It's sopping wet and looks like pine. Good stuff. @MisterDrow ...let's compare apples to apples. Your 4/4...what's the grade? Is it rough or surfaced? Kiln dried? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 19 minutes ago, JosephThomas said: What does 'civilian' mean in this context? Is that the non-contractor / non-business rate, or the wholesale rate or something? Have not heard that term used before... My yard just does x% off the marked prices for contractors, so I'm a little confused. Sorry... I work for a custom manufacturing company and we buy a LOT of wood product from this local yard. As an employee, I am allowed to go to the yard and buy lumber for personal use (they even let me make stuff to sell on my own, too!) at the pricing that my company gets. I asked the guy at the yard what the pricing would be if I just walked in off of the street and he said it's over $12 now. 19 minutes ago, Mike. said: Red Walnut is still affordable around here, right @Eric. Ooh... I don't think I've ever seen red walnut before. Gotta google that. 4 minutes ago, Eric. said: Red steam-dried blackened California eastern walnut is dirt cheap. It's sopping wet and looks like pine. Good stuff. @MisterDrow ...let's compare apples to apples. Your 4/4...what's the grade? Is it rough or surfaced? Kiln dried? 4/4 FAS kiln dried. Surfaced (partially, depending on the board) on the faces, edges are rough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, MisterDrow said: 4/4 FAS kiln dried. Surfaced (partially, depending on the board) on the faces, edges are rough. So FAS kiln dried, S2S, assuming skip-planed. Just as a reference, ours is FAS kiln dried, S3S, sanded to 150...we're at $7.90/bf. We also have 5/4 rough kiln dried (steamed) for $6.90/bf. Also a stack of the FAS S3S all 12" and wider that sells for $12.00/bf. The fact that we're in the midwest will usually mean slightly cheaper walnut prices than you guys out west...and I'd say the $7.96 price for what they're selling is about right for the market. $12.00/bf for that same stock is highway robbery. I would not pay that unless it was heavily figured and perfectly clear. Buy cherry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 These are about 9-12" in width... probably about 8-10" usable once you mill the edges and remove the unevenness. Very nice figure in a lot of the boards. Really good stuff all around but I'm glad I get the volume discount because there's no way I'd pay $12+/bdft out of my own pocket. I love going to that yard, though, because you can't go back to the lumber stack, they load up the lumber stack on huge fork lifts and bring it out to your car at the warehouse entrance. You can then just pick through the pile to find what you want, they measure it, you pay and you go. Super nice guys, there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Those are excellent widths, and if they're not full of sapwood and defects I think you're actually getting a great price. I also prefer S2S to both rough and surfaced S3S because you can still see exactly what you're getting yet you retain most of the thickness. I assume those boards are 15/16" in thickness? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 They're sold at 15/16 but nearly every one I've ever bought there has been 1", if not very slightly thicker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 in the case of the desk I made, after milling those boards flat the top came out at exactly 15/16". This new desk I'm working in will probably end up being closer to 7/8" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Wait... is 'Red Walnut' the same as Butternut? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterDrow Posted July 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, Mike. said: i forgot the . Red Walnut is not a thing and, practically speaking, all walnut sold is the US is "black walnut" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 11 minutes ago, Mike. said: all walnut sold is the US is "black walnut" But clients think it's different, and pay more 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Like fauxhagany, soon we'll have fauxalnut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wdwerker Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 Peruvian walnut comes to mind....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 3 hours ago, MisterDrow said: Wait... is 'Red Walnut' the same as Butternut? How does that feel? I mean your leg getting pulled like that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric. Posted July 21, 2017 Report Share Posted July 21, 2017 1 hour ago, wdwerker said: Peruvian walnut comes to mind....... Except it's no cheaper than regular walnut. If walnut dries up I predict a lot of stained alder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mat60 Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Nothing looks better than alder with a walnut stain, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown craftsman Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Alder with a walnut stain ? That's not too far fetched for me I was very sensitive to the Claro Walnut I last worked.I don't know what going on with me.My road just keep getting narrower. Alder has been called poor mans cherry. Aj 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleedinblue Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 But...stain. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 Still $6.50/bf near me. Usually pretty clear stuff. Up to 16" wide. But I never seem to see thicker than 4/4. Gotta go elsewhere for that, and they charge $10/bf or more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodger. Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 We are over 10 bucks bf for 4/4 rough walnut (kiln dried). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marmotjr Posted July 22, 2017 Report Share Posted July 22, 2017 The BORG (and probably the BBRG too) has recently (2 years) offering walnut in stores. Shannon did a piece on the show about this once or twice. I wonder if that's also causing the price to spike also (along with the current fad). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cygnus A Posted July 27, 2017 Report Share Posted July 27, 2017 Yep. $12/bf for 4/4 and $15/bf for 8/4 near me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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