bleedinblue Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 1 hour ago, shaneymack said: Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm nothing without my festool. Sent from my SM-N910W8 using Tapatalk And your Festool is nothing without you! 28 minutes ago, Eric. said: All I know is that the entire contents of my shop don't cost as much as a couple of my buddies' boats...and I have a pretty pimped out shop. Reminds me of some comments I get about my Mustang from those who don't know better. Even with the modifications it's a $23K car all day long, yet I get comments from guys with $40K trucks. Whatever, it's all hogwash. But if I had Marc's shop, I'd be able to make some excellent mediocre furniture, instead of regular mediocre furniture. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Lester Burnham said: lol I was debating on making a comment about CNC but hesitated. Go for it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, Lester Burnham said: Nah... I inadvertently kicked the hornets nest the last time. I'm good. I look for nests to kick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardA Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 19 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: Yeah, well if I had a CNC I could turn out great work! yup. and not really do any! Work that is! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treeslayer Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 well i've had enough of this, i'm getting in my Bugatti Veyron and i'm going to buy every Festool product there is, as soon as i come back from my vacation in the Alps 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodenskye Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 People make comments more for multiple items like a bunch of clamps or number of systainers a guy has in my opinion, than one item like a boat. By the way I am now taking applications for my Sugar Momma, so I can brag about all the sweat gear she bought me. One criteria is she needs to like playing with wood as much as I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..Kev Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I will admit to having a few conversations with Mel on this topic over the last couple weeks and doing a little venting of my own! Although not quite the same, my rant had to do with YouTube and the fact that everything that comes up.is about building X with no tools from pallet wood. It's frustrating when you want to be stretched as a woodworker and all the video makers are catering to the cheap crowd. Nothing against the cheap crowd but, there's others like me out there longing for content that doesn't include pallet boards and 10 dollars worth of CL tools. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tpt life Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Plug your ears Graham... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy Wright Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I have never understood why woodworkers as a group are so cheap. Lots of guys spend tons of money on hobbies like golf, cars, boats, motorcycles, etc but woodworkers tend to get all stressed about whether to buy a $250 or a $300 tool. As far as I can tell I'm one of the only guys I know who has a hobby where I generate stuff my wife actually wants. My buddies buy $300 golf clubs that will be replaced in 18 months so I don't feel guilty about buying a nice $300 tool that I will have for the rest of my life 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 8 minutes ago, TIODS said: It's frustrating when you want to be stretched as a woodworker and all the video makers are catering to the cheap crowd This has a lot to do with my rant. Probably more than the clamps comment.. Just got lumped into one big venting session. The comments section on youtube and FB do drive content. Whether or not the content suppliers admit, or recognize it. This hobby is much like any other in which the casual group controls the market. Unfortunately, as Kev alluded to, this leaves us out in the cold. I could not care less what tools someone else is using. However, when content is dictated by the casual consumer, I have a problem with it. 10 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: Plug your ears Graham... They don't have pallet wood in England. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxerjoe04 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I wish it were as simple as blaming obama, but it's not. I agree with sjk. I, like a lot of people have had tool envy from where ever across the web, I've never been the guy to say "if i had that i could make that". I've taken the route of, i want that tool, so I use the tools I got to make what I can to sell and then buy the damn tool. I got in an argument with one of youtube's (bleeps), on the particular video the guy made his project and showed/told multiple different ways to do it with multiple tools, and the guy still complained. If you started a business that's "punch a guy in the face from the internet" service, where you pay for the service and they find the person from the internet and actually punch them in the face, you'd be a billionaire. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wright Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 27 minutes ago, TIODS said: It's frustrating when you want to be stretched as a woodworker and all the video makers are catering to the cheap crowd. That's just pure demographics. For every guy who wants to watch a video about building fine furniture there are 1,000 people interested in a quick and cheap home projects. I bet two thirds of the people watching those videos are women who close YouTube and then try to.convince a boyfriend/husband into building the project for them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 1 minute ago, Llama said: This has a lot to do with my rant. Probably more than the clamps comment.. Just got lumped into one big venting session. The comments section on youtube and FB do drive content. Whether or not the content suppliers admit, or recognize it. This hobby is much like any other in which the casual group controls the market. Unfortunately, as Kev alluded to, this leaves us out in the cold. I could not care less what tools someone else is using. However, when content is dictated by the casual consumer, I have a problem with it. With respect tho Mel, it's not just the "casual" consumer. It's the "cheap" or those who legitimately can't afford the hobby that is being catered to. Frankly, I don't mind paying for good content but, there's such a limited supply of it out there that you very quickly run out. 6 minutes ago, Andy Wright said: That's just pure demographics. For every guy who wants to watch a video about building fine furniture there are 1,000 people interested in a quick and cheap home projects. I bet two thirds of the people watching those videos are women who close YouTube and then try to.convince a boyfriend/husband into building the project for them I don't disagree. Just wishing there was appropriate content for folks like you and I! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Wright Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Content is driven by clicks. The people making lots of videos make their living from being able to 1) show their sponsors that they are getting views for the sponsors products and 2) get royalty checks from YouTube for ad clicks. If your videos get 500 views you make no money, but if your videos get 500,000 views you can build a business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 2 minutes ago, TIODS said: With respect tho Mel, it's not just the "casual" consumer. It's the "cheap" or those who legitimately can't afford the hobby that is being catered to. Frankly, I don't mind paying for good content but, there's such a limited supply of it out there that you very quickly run out. In the sense I was shooting for, casual = cheap, but more "PC". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ..Kev Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Just now, Llama said: In the sense I was shooting for, casual = cheap, but more "PC". Yea, the whole "PC" thing is another that I'm sick of too 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Just now, TIODS said: Yea, the whole "PC" thing is another that I'm sick of too Make America PC Again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 22 minutes ago, C Shaffer said: Plug your ears Graham... I absolutely love Graham's work! Yes, he works with inexpensive material but, I don't live there and don't know what's available to him. He still applies proper techniques and pays attention to detail. I'm not a primarily handtool guy but, appreciate his work as it's about the work, not the material being used. 5 minutes ago, Andy Wright said: Content is driven by clicks. The people making lots of videos make their living from being able to 1) show their sponsors that they are getting views for the sponsors products and 2) get royalty checks from YouTube for ad clicks. If your videos get 500 views you make no money, but if your videos get 500,000 views you can build a business Sound words to those in the same boat as many of us here! Quit clicking on those build X on 10 bucks worth of CL tools and pallet wood videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxerjoe04 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 I wonder what the actual number of people watching and commenting are people who just turned off the DIY network, like 90%? There's a facebook page called woodworking crazy I think, some page that literally just steals videos from youtube and changes the format to not show who does the work. They posted a video from Kyle Toth, when he turned his segmented doughnut, most the comments were negative because people didn't see a kreg jig and milk paint. Of course it was a random wood doughnut, but to be able to do that takes some damn skill, probably didn't help it wasn't made from pallets either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 It's not just the "pallet" wood. It's the cheap tools, the skills, the techniques, etc. Too many people out there more interested in YouTube hits than producing real wood working videos. I've actually blocked some because of their blatant scary actions in the shop! These aren't woodworkers, they're YouTubers trying to get you to click on their link to make a buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gixxerjoe04 Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 There is one pretty popular woodworker youtuber who seemed to just mainly catered to the diy crowd in the beginning, but his most recent videos have improved quite a bit to more actual woodworking besides pocket screws and pine, was pretty surprised. I think the best scary youtube woodwork guy was the one demonstrating kickback and came within millimeters to cutting his fingers off, that was a good one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Bob Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Ok, I don't covet your tools, I don't even covet your talent and skills. Tools are tools, but I use your talent/skills to establish goals, I need goals, for me it is a wasted day if I haven't met a goal. HOWEVER.... I would have one hell of shop if I paid for my tools, what I paid for just one of my wife's sewing machines, sew (get it?) I might covet my wife's sewing machine. Difference is she has talent and I don't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
..Kev Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 4 minutes ago, Just Bob said: Ok, I don't covet your tools, I don't even covet your talent and skills. Tools are tools, but I use your talent/skills to establish goals, I need goals, for me it is a wasted day if I haven't met a goal. HOWEVER.... I would have one hell of shop if I paid for my tools, what I paid for just one of my wife's sewing machines, sew (get it?) I might covet my wife's sewing machine. Difference is she has talent and I don't. Difference being that you use quality tools and perform quality work! And, you never complain about what someone else has that you don't. Also, having seen your work, "no talent" is not a comment I would link with you! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Eric. Posted May 5, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 Listen y'all...if you put ANYTHING in the hands of the general public, they'll ruin it. Music, movies, sports, nature, roads, the air...you name it and PEOPLE have ruined it. Luckily, woodworking is not something that can be ruined if YOU don't let it, because you do it by yourself in your garage exactly the way you wanna do it. It's totally independent and you never have to include a single other person in your work if you choose. So pick your select few sources of information and entertainment like I do...and unplug the rest...they're a waste of time. Just hit the ignore button on the DIY pine and paint channels, and get out in the shop. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Llama Posted May 5, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 ^^ hippie!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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